The latest tactic in impeding raw milk distribution–harassing farmers using drop sites–seems to be spreading from Minnesota to Missouri.
And like in Minnesota, where many of the ten consumer drop site hosts warned by regulators recently are continuing the defy the warnings, resistance is developing as well.
The Missouri events have developed rapidly. Last Thursday, a public health official from Missouri’s Christian County appeared at a residence where farmer Eric Vimont was dropping off milk, and waved a cease-and-desist order in front of him. Vimont, whose farm is actually in a neighboring county, refused to accept the cease-and-desist. So today, via certified mail, he received an “Order to Abate for Food Establishments.” “No food operations shall occur until the food establishment is brought into compliance,” it stated in part.
Vimont, who has for the last six years been making raw milk available privately to customers who order in advance, says he not only has no plans to abide by the order, but he is going to publicly drop off raw milk to a group of customers tomorrow (Thursday) evening…in front of the Christian County Public Health Department in Ozark (301 E. Brick St., which is 1 block north and east of the County Courthouse).
Vimont expects about 30 customers who normally pick up near that location to be present to get their milk, plus, “We expect a lot of people who are not customers.” He emphasized, though, that the milk is only for customers who pre-ordered. “There is no milk for open distribution.”
He says this is in line with Missouri law, which allows for the sale of raw milk from the farm, with delivery to individual consumers. The new rub seems to come over whether the delivery is allowed to drop points or consumers’ individual residences. The county health department has been referring to a 2007 opinion from the Missouri attorney general arguing that farmers are prohibited from selling “to the general public from a distribution center” established by the dairy farmer.
Vimont views the sudden focus by Christian County, a prosperous county in the southwest part of the state, on the nuances of delivery as part of the growing clampdown on food right nationally, and he is determined to do his part to resist. “I’m a little guy on a farm that is tired of being told he can’t do certain God-given things,” he says. “I want to see the tide start to change in this nation…in terms of unelected officials and regulators micro-managing our lives.”
Pete Kennedy of the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund sees the action against Vimont as designed “just to make things more difficult for his customers.”
Vimont says he moved to Missouri from the Northwest in 2006 with a goal “to provide the absolute best possible milk we can. We are antiseptic clean in the milk parlor.” He says he and his wife “beg our customers to make at least one trip to our farm, preferably at the milking time. We milk in the late morning, so it’s convenient for our customers to come and watch.” They are currently milking nine cows.
This isn’t Vimont’s first encounter with county public health authorities. A year ago, they had local police go after him over his milk distribution, but after an hour of discussion with an officer, explaining the nuances of Missouri law and local regulations, “the officer decided I wasn’t violating the law” and Vimont continued going about his business. County health officials backed off…but only temporarily.
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I find very sad the reports by Natural Health News that Aajonus Vonderplanitz obtained his Ph.D. from a diploma mill. Like Gordon Watson, I have a lot of admiration for Vonderplanitz for standing up for food rights at a time when very few understood the issues at stake. And he’s done important work defending farmers being harassed by local authorities and the Food and Drug Administration. What makes these accusations ironic, for me, is that I don’t see where he needed the supposed status of a Ph.D. to do what he has done. His nutritional theories would never be taken seriously by any conventional academic institution. His patients care mainly about whether he helps improve their health, and I’ve spoken with a number who claim he’s worked wonders for them. In courtrooms, a Ph.D. could never make up for the absence of a law degree.
Vonderplanitz has lobbed some heavy grenades at Sharon Palmer and James Stewart of Rawesome fame. I suspect some of those grenades are now coming back from the other side. Food rights opponents are enjoying the infighting immensely.
“He says this is in line with Missouri law, which allows for the sale of raw milk from the farm, with delivery to individual consumers.” “The county health department has been referring to a 2007 opinion from the Missouri attorney general arguing that farmers are prohibited from selling “to the general public from a distribution center” established by the dairy farmer.”
It appears the farmer is within the law and is being harassed. Can the farmer sue for harassment?
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:sAPJ_8bz7yIJ:www.adsa.org/symposia/2003/6.pdf+raw+milk+outbreaks+in+europe&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgwU1EfUkHAzPDH-MDVSWZM3UjMDjAYXCQMeo_bt_jdr51PWLzTMUCikGZu4mW3ru3xXKQTCa_ZLKFo5SyIFG_lIZo3U4kFo401bQ0f3m-8PLBTWJVKfnS1FFxM3f3L3DN50VZ-&sig=AHIEtbREhja3-xRlUKR93Z6A326jxYutww
While I can’t speak to the legality Of the herd share arrangements that MW touches on above, I do not appreciate your analysis, David.
It is not black or white, us vs them. Your “war” is a sham.
Wow, who defines “good food”? You? The govt? Income levels vary widely and dictates what people buy. Not everyone buys sodas, chips, etc, or eats fast foods on a daily or weekly bases. Nor does everyone go to the movies often, at $8 to $18 per person, not including drinks or snacks is expensive, and if you have to pay a sitter, it’s even more.
When my husband was in the military, many of his co-workers qualified for food stamps. Had he made @ $50 less we too would have qualified.
With so many out of work and/or with hours cut, I would expect people to hold onto their money. With a US median household income of less than $50000 people aren’t going to spend $15 for one gal of milk.
You can search for past posts I did on dividing the income down to what was left after taxes, utilities, insurance, car payments, etc. and what was left weekly for food and emergent issues, it wasn’t much. People will buy according to income and what they know about food/preparation.
Eric’s bold gesture of delivering milk in front of the health department is an action that more of us need to exhibit.
The powers that be are attacking our rights to the fundamental choice to grow and raise our own food and feed ourselves and our neighbors.
Just look at the draconian law, Bill 78 that our neighbors in Canada are protesting in the streets to stop.
This is just another part of a global full court press to take away all of our rights one by one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oAJBhNtr04&feature=related
Raw milk is an easy target….. What next?
As for your sneers at humanity, that’s beneath contempt. But since we’re on the subject, here’s from the prior thread:
“guys like me, who hold that a farm family ought to be able to live at a middle-class level”
Why just a middle class level? Is that any way for a self-respecting Galtian “wealth creator” to talk? Surely a superhero of “wealth creation” ought to be able to do better than that. Otherwise why believe in such immoral, idiotic drivel? It sounds to me like you’re a loser by your own Hobbesian measure. But I’m sure that totally-legit $100 snake oil will save you!
(And if it could, it would just be pirated from you by the same big corporations you worship.)
We see how much you care about others, and as you give, so shall you receive (and deserve).
The photo on my website = me holding a pint of 2012 – first fruits / fabulous, golden Xfactor butter oil – is precious to me as an icon of my payoff. such medicine is nothing less than miraculous … But you – never having read what a genius Weston A Price was – wouldn’t know that. So your children won’t have perfect teeth. Incidentally : Do you have any children, Russ? or are you another one of the dunces prattling-on about how to govern “the next generation”, yet you’ve effectively castrated yourself “in the interests of humanity”, ending the line of 3700 years of men who cared enough, and sacrificed, so you could see the light of day. Whosoever despiseth his heritage, shall lose it
Information about “price” is feedback producers MUST get, in order to navigate. I’m happy to give away my knowledge and experience about that topic, to people whom I feel deserve it = producers … which lets you out, Mister Russ. But I’ll give you this much for free : read “The Wealth of Nations” by Adam Smith ( his pen name) in which he tells you everything one needs to know, about it. Set that against …what, 3 centuries ? … of proof that his analysis was correct
The REAL MILK is flowing here today in BC, meanwhile the Adversaries slunk away with their tail between their legs
Do you know where your children are? Not to worry, the govt knows………
Here’s a pretty good TV report on the Thursday rally in Missouri. Even got a health dept guy out of his bunker.
http://www.kspr.com/videogallery/70348742/News/VIDEO-Farmers-Protest-Raw-Milk-Restrictions-at-Christian-Co-Health-Dept
(Needless to say, no one asked to see your books. We asked for something along the lines of, “our eggs are priced higher because we maintain a low ratio of chickens to pasture, let our older chickens live out their lives, and supplement their pasture with certified organic feed”, to give an example from a local farm with rather expensive eggs. You clearly have nothing to say which is even that general.)
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Adam Smith is based on a fundamental fraud (that humans naturally “truck and barter”; the historical fact is that natural, human economies have overwhelmingly been cooperative), and his “analysis” was nothing of the sort. On the contrary, like his predecessor Hobbes, he was presenting an ideological blueprint from which policy was supposed to follow. It’s cute that you have such abysmal understanding of arithmetic, if you think 3 centuries is a long time, compared to the anthropological record of tens of thousands of years!
By the way, if you actually read Smith, you know he wanted massive government interference in markets, and not just to create “capitalism” in the first place (which government did; to repeat, “markets” are naturally cooperative and local/regional), but also to regulate it.
Every American used to know this …. until they started attending the government indoctrination centers euphemistically called schools.
Thank you Sir for standing for my rights. If you do not exercise your rights you lose them. May God be at your side in the face of this evil that serves the system, and mocks his jurisdiction.
Leaning towards pink slime?
Can we please not over indulge in religious/tribal/judicial/historical/phylosphical/socialogical/ postings? Especially when they are shrouded in personal attacks. I admit some are relevant and enlightening, but this is a blog about the current RAW MILK and food rights in the USA today so please keep that in mind and as a priority.
Some of us don’t necessarily believe in God, or at least YOUR God, and it’s usually just not relevant to our every day milk perspective. I find some of the extreme biased commentary here truly mindboggling. Thank you again.
Attacking someone for being childless is a rash thing to do, sir. Unless you know Russ very well, you have no knowledge as to why he is childless. Many people now are having trouble finding compatible spouses, or have fertility problems. You might want to be be careful before you attack some poor person who has suffered miscarriages or stillbirths.
Or, don’t you care about hurting people? Your religion is looking about as appealing as Harold Camping’s.
Ora Moose,
Great advice. I couldn’t agree more.
Isn’t it Adam Smith sycophants like you who always say that, with your lies about natural “scarcity”?
Meanwhile in reality natural resources are abundant, and it’s only capitalism which seeks to make them artificially scarce, and to bring about conditions where there are “too many humans”.
Please do post where you got this information.
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I think you misunderstood my point. Mr. Watson has spoken twice in a manner that assumes you are childless. My comment was intended to remind him that IF indeed you are so, he doesn’t know why and is being offensive in general to people who want to have children and are unable to.
So mr Watson, I ask again: How do you set your prices? Is there a constant logical ratio to your costs, or is it arbitrary based on your perception of wealth building?
I sat at the feet of Buckminster Fuller, as he taught us ‘there’s more than enough’. In 1967, Fuller’s opening line to audiences of university students, was “you have to UNlearn what you think you know, that is wrong, before you can begin to learn that which is correct”. In those days, Paul Ehrlich was big news with his scare-mongering bestseller “the Population Bomb”. Fuller posed the question ” if all the people in the world were put in average night-club proximity, how much area would they take up?” Most people guessed ‘the size of the US’, or “Texas’ or some huge landmass. In fact, in those days when the population was 3 billion, they could all fit on the island of Bermuda. His point being : indeed, humans do ‘sweep out’ the entire planet. But it’s incorrect to think there are ‘too many people’.
Fuller taught us what real capital is, versus the imaginary ‘money’ emitted by “FinCap” = his term for the Banksters. His definition of true wealth, was : “future support capability” He was not just a commentator. He was a contemporary of Howard Hughes – characters larger than life, participating in industry, dealing face to face with the operators of the financial racket.
He used “pre-cession” to illustrate how true capitalism, at its best, is human ingenuity engaging the natural world to bring forth unexpected benefits for everyone. Then the cost per unit goes down as a new technology penetrates to the extremities of society. For instance : there are more cell phones in India, than indoor toilets : Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?
The converse is : what really went on out there = us being threatened daily with violence : I laid 3 charges of assault, against men who erupted when I confronting them for having killed their own child. Let’s not go on about that. The conclusion of the whole matter is : if someone wants to kill her own child, that’s her and/ or his perogative. But don’t ask me to pay for your God damned elective surgery
Me, I would still rather hear your rants than shut them out alltogether, because it helps me figure out where I stand. Do you understand that the winners write the history books? And what does that say about your bible? I was raised a strict Christian Catholic but eventually rejected it much to the chagrin of my parents and former teachers. Do you grant your descendents that choice? God is just a word, or concept. Mother nature, you can’t fool.
David, I am requesting an ‘ignore’ button…..for now will just skip the select few.
For starters : this part of British Columbia has some of the highest prices on the continent, for property. Gasoline is $6.50 per US gallon. The farm we’re on was for sale at $1.25 million for 23 acres of average pasture, right next to the Freeway, with a tiny house and nothing special in the way of outbuildings. You could buy something equivalent in Washington State – literally within sight across the border – for about 1/4 of that.
PRicing has to take into account all the factors in the different ways REAL MILK is presented. We deliver ours in glass jars, with high-quality food-grade plastic lids. See the photos on my website*. The package costs $3 each, new. The dishwashing cycle recycles them sterile, for the next use. We’re sure it tastes better that way. Most of the raw milk dairies which SELL raw milk, do not do use glass. For instance ; someone selling milk in the $5 range, is probably demanding the customer to show up at the farm, with their own container.
Of the $18.50 per gallon we pay in the agistment fee, $2.50 of that right off the top goes to the govt. as tax upon the service business … Canada being the socialist utopia, it is, it falls upon the farmer to actually pay the freight for the delusions of the parasites infesting the govt.
Our cows are out on pasture year-round, but we do feed the best quality hay for about 6 months, plus a very small amount of grain at milking time. But that grain bill adds up to over $3000 per month for 30 cows, 20 of which are in milk today.
Producing the milk, is one thing. Getting it to those who want it, in the Big City, up to 80 miles away, is a major component of the total price. When I see a price go by on the forum, I presume it doesn’t include delivery, unless they say so.
My answer in the larger frame of reference is ; in order to continue, an enterprise MUST make an increase and consolidate it in one form or another. Gold / silver being the format of last resort. If a farmer isn’t coming out ahead, it’s only a matter of time til he’s out of biz. Where you gonna get your milk then? So the maxim is ; you MUST maximize your advantage, while you have it. Because you won’t always have it. An entrepreneur should ask whatever the traffick will stand, then pay close attention to the feedback. The free market will determine what’s ‘fair’. The proper role of govt. in all this, is, to guarantee the quality of the coinage; it’s the standard everyone needs for an orderly market which benefits the common weal. Which is why our God and those who founded the Republic, made tampering with it, a death penalty offence
But please, can you leave the God/religion part out of it? Pretty please? That does not resonate with many of us, and is a major conandrum and mostly a personal decision having nothing to do with milk or GMO choices. I have a day old newborn chick in my pocket to keep it warm because it couldn’t keep up with his momma and the other newborns, now there’s a life and death experience we should all have.
This is exactly the death march mentality which is destroying humanity.
You must think a farmer like Joel Salatin who professes the exact contrary principles is insane.
http://www.polyfacefarms.com/principles/
In fact Salatin is right, in the long run nothing can work contrary to nature. This rules out fossil-fueled industrial agriculture as such, and the psychopathic “growth” mentality.
Meanwhile your quotes are all over the place. You want a “free market” artificially propped up and regulated by government. Big Government and its taxation burden are bad but also good. Government should get off our backs but should also fabricate coinage (which Jesus, by the way, taught us to reject), force us to use it, hand over control of it to private banks, and literally kill those who scoff at the fraudulent “legitimacy” of such coinage. Government should string barbed wire across the land and call it “property” and parcel it out with no reference to productive use of it, but we should also whine about how much this property then costs (according to the price in government-imposed money). Government should build highways, and we should love these highways, but we should also whine about their effect on “property” costs. (A reminder, these are all priced according to this wondrous government-driven “free market”.) The corporate/government system imposes all these onerous financial burdens and yet we should act in accord with it and seek to perpetuate and intensify it. We should have values (and be “Christians”, no less), but also have a purely mercenary view of everyone else. In all things – money, relationships, violence, etc. – we should “charge what the market will bear”. Might Makes Right forever.
Meanwhile, Food Sovereignty is the philosophy and set of practices which would truly reject all artificial interference in human economies and restore these economies to natural, purely demand-based scales, in part by abolishing the artificial separation of food producers and consumers.
Why can’t the customers take the milk in glass jars and then bring back the empty jars, the way we do it where my milk comes from? Oh, I forgot, we’re a bunch of commies or something, and our far less expensive way can’t work. Except that it does.
“Producing the milk, is one thing. Getting it to those who want it, in the Big City, up to 80 miles away, is a major component of the total price. When I see a price go by on the forum, I presume it doesn’t include delivery, unless they say so.”
Yes, Salatin does refuse to engage in most forms of delivery, precisely because that leads to the totalitarian “growth” mentality you laud here.
Meanwhile, if someone picks up the milk at your farm is it much cheaper?
Is that why the containers aren’t a closed loop within your transactions, because the customers are all unnaturally far away?
So is that the basis of these price discrepancies, that we’re talking about the difference between trying to integrate raw milk into the corporate growth economy (along with its pernicious ideology), vs. a raw milk economy which is part of the contrary movement to relocalize food economies, thereby restoring their natural character? Which is the issue which first led me to start commenting here.
We had a good day at the farm yesterday, with Michael Schmidt here to greet members, on his way down to Oregon. The REAL MILK continues to flow in BC : Our Cows is prospering after fending-off the latest attack by the so-called Health Authorities … thus, your convoluted kvetching is irrelevant to what we are doing. “Do-ing” : got that ? I recommend you find another political issue, in which you can make a positive contribution, because your all your addled verbiage – lacking practical engagment with the reality of dairying- is a stone drag on the Campaign for REAL MILK. Or, as the Jamaicans would say to you = ‘you’re chatting shit, man’
cause or contribute to male infertility:
Sexually transmitted diseases, fevers/infections,ie;mumps after puberty, surgery of the reproductive tract, undescended testes, hernia repair, disorders of the prostate gland, or cancer,damage to the vas deferens, varicose veins in the scrotum (varicocele), certain drugs, such as those for depression or high blood pressure,
exposure of the testes to high temperatures, such as those that result from the wearing of tight, unventilated clothing; excessive use of hot tubs; or conditions in the workplace.tobacco, marijuana, or alcohol, diseases,;ie diabetes,genetic or hormonal problems, trauma to the testes, exposure to radiation.
female infertility include:
Hormone levels that affect the release of an egg from an ovary or the implantation of a fertilized egg in the lining of the uterus, obesity, scarring/tumors of the uterus or defects of the uterus present from birth,
amount/quality cervical mucus,endometriosis, adhesions, infections- to include appendicitis, which can result in scarring of the internal pelvic organs, antibodies that attack her partner’s sperm, medical conditions, such as thyroid disease or diabetes, genetics, tobacco, marijuana, or alcohol
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/10/dr-mercola-on-ric-schiff.aspx?e_cid=20120610_SNL_Art_1
Loosing our right to choose at the hands of autocratic individuals who think they know whats best threatens diversity and likewise a very important check and balance process necessary for health and survival.
Ken
For those of us that are believers – God ties directly into this raw milk and food rights issue. Believers do not worship the state. They do not believe that their rights come from the state. Nor do they believe that the state can abridge or interfere with their rights. This is not a view exclusive to Christians. I know many atheist that have the same strong belief about the nature of their rights and the proper purpose of government.
If you don’t believe in a God then you are free not to post anything about him. I on the other hand do not believe in communist/socialism, statism, but do not ask David to protect me from those posts that I personally find highly offensive. Instead, I use reason, and facts to counter them. Freedom of speech you must understand is not the freedom to say what is unoffensive and uncontroversial. Quite the opposite, it is the right to say what is offensive and controversial.
When you boil it down (no pasteurization pun intended) it comes down to a choice to eat, or not eat/drink anything you want or not. Mass advertising seems to have affected our collective nentality to the point that we should also have a garden of pet rocks to go along with our lawns = completely useless, but utterly marketable to the stupid sheep types. I just turn off the TV, and recently the internet promos because I recognize them for what they are: propaganda.
Regarding God, I truly believe that you should believe in something but will never steer you one way or another. Follow what you respect and hits home with you.
below is a link to a great big long read, including an audio recording of a conversation. it dishes the dirt on the legalities surounding prosecution of the directors of the RawSome food buying club, in California, which was raided then shut down, last summer
http://goodguyswin.blog.com/2012/06/09/oct-2010-aajonus-wants-500k-from-palmer-all-rawesome-assets-from-stewart/
it gives invaluable insight into how the RawSome project was structured : it started out in goodwill, by a few mellow old hippies …. led by one of the most gonzo of all them all = Aajonus von der planitz. NOT that there’s anything wrong his style ( of eccentricity ) !! In that neck of the woods, Aajonus is downright mainstream
most of you have better things to do with your time, than wade through this gossip legal-ese / recriminations, still … it’s most instructive for us on the frontlines of the raw milk issue. George Gordon, says
“you can avoid a lot more trouble than you can get yourself out of”
My answer would be no, they do not really care. If they did, they would have much different plans and the parents would be involved and informed on all aspects of potentials for treatments and/or outcomes. Also the parents would not be forced to “allow” their children to be guinea pigs or lab rats for the pharmaceutical companies. Rarely does a doctor use the word “cure”.
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“Tapos na po kaming mag-shooting. Siyempre sobrang nag-enjoy ako talaga. Medyo mahirap pero sobra akong masaya pero isa ito sa pangarap ko talaga,” Quinto said on ABS-CBN’s morning show “Umagang Kay Ganda” on Tuesday.
Quinto said she had a good time doing the movie with the help of Martin and director Jerome Pobocan.
“Noong umpisa ng shooting medyo nahirapan ako kasi takot pa akong gumalaw. Pati sa pagsasalita, nagdadalawang isip pa ako sa sasabihin ko,” she admitted.
She also said she’s lucky to have Martin as her first onscreen leading man.
“Sino po ba ang hindi kikiligin kay Coco? Sobrang nagpapasalamat ako kay Coco kasi sobra ang pagtulong niya sa akin,” she said.
Asked to assess herself as an actress, Quinto replied: “Maganda ako.”
“Talagang magugustuhan niyo ang pelikulang ito dahil makikita niyo kung gaano ako ka-sexy. Sana po ay mapanood niyo,” she added.
“Born To Love” also stars Ton Ton Gutierrez, Al Tantay, Eula Valdez, Malou de Guzman and Albert Martinez.
The Star Cinema movie will have its premiere night on May 29 at SM Megamall. It opens in theaters nationwide on May 30.
So it’s no accident that every pathology of food itself, and of the political/economic structures that are developed around it, is generated or greatly aggravated by unnatural artifices like food commodification, globalization, corporatization.
Food relocalization is therefore not only a moral, political, cultural, spiritual imperative, but also a practical one.
I do have a suspicion that the weird stuff that’s going on with food and water will have an impact on fertility if it isn’t already doing so. I seem to recall a study done on cows that were consuming a GM food (was it corn or alalfa?) finding the cows having such problems.
It’s interesting how you seem to assume fertility troubles are always the woman’s “fault”.
There have been people who speak out, the media doesn’t relay that easily to the public.
Hopefully there will be a shift back to small farms.
“Fact: The number of of sperm per milliliter (ml) has dropped from 100 million/ml to around half of that, at between 50 and 60 million/ml (5ml = 1teaspoon). Low sperm count is considered under the 40 million/ml, which is not an ideal level, and under 20 million/ml is considered as infertile.”
“Included in the infertility statistics, is the fact, whatever sperm are being produced, are much less mobile, than 10 or 20 years ago. The volume of semen produced by modern man has almost halved in that time. Infertility affects about 15% of all males in the USA and UK.”
Instead of looking into why these changes are occurring, they are looking for the magic pill to “fix” it. Just as with the increased erectile dysfunction, the cause is either mental or there is calcium or other plaques clogging the arteries. It isn’t rocket science.
I think a major reason our farm is more reasonably priced is the active participation by the customers. They come to the farm to pick up their milk; some are members of a small local group of families and take turns picking up for each other.
We pay a deposit on the glass jars in advance, then return them to the farm each time we buy more milk.
The cows are pastured most of the time (as far as I can tell), fed hay in the winter and some grain as well.
They employ 2 people who sterilize the jars, assist with milking, etc.
If a customer cannot afford the $5, the farmers will give them the milk at a reduced price.
Some of their practices I’m not big on and these may help them keep the price down. For example, using artificial insemination to breed the cows and separating calves from mothers. Possibly other things I’m not even aware of. Still, it’s far better than industrial milk and they’re continuing the vital practice of small, local farming.
They don’t seem to have the contemptuous attitude towards their customers that you have, likely because they see them in person all the time and because the customers are actively involved in the transaction.
I have a couple of questions: What is the income of your average customer (approximately)? If a person can’t pay the full price, do you reduce it for them?
Also, do any of your customers come to your farm?
http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2011/02/20/roundup-new-pathogen/
In particular, the section of Don Huber’s letter headed, “Implicated in Animal Reproductive Failure”.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/12/10/dr-don-huber-interview-part-1.aspx
The section headed, “GE Foods Bring Brand New Threat”. But the whole article is important.
http://www.gaia-health.com/articles451/000460-gmo-toxins-pregnant-women-fetuses.shtml
http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/03/14/the-california-battle-to-save-fertility/
http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/international-womens-day-women-reclaim-their-stewardship-of-life/
In 2009, when govt. ( so-called ) Health Authorities defamed our dairy, dumped our property down the sewer pretending it was ‘not fit for human consumption’, with the outright lie that ‘a child was lying ill in hospital after drinking raw milk from Home on the Range’, shareholders didn’t even flinch. They had such confidence in the quality of the milk, and the integrity of the Agister.
I’d say about a few dozen out of around 450 households, do show up at the farm, to get their property. That’s because they live close-by. It’s open to others to do so, but most of them live up to 80 miles away, in the Big City of Vancouver. I’d guess that the mean annual household income for shareholders, would be $80,000 Cdn. With a few at both ends of the spectrum of income. This is not a charity … it’s a service business, and like all small businesses in growth mode, it is voracious for capital. We cannot aford to give it away. One of the lessons the commies never learn is ; with capital derived from true profit – instead of imaginary funds emitted by a Bankster waving his magic wand – an enterprise can do more of what it does, and do it better, thus reducing the unit cost. Thus, genuine capital-ism, using honest money, benefits society as a whole. We saw this in America, from the Coinage Act of 1792, until the vipers succeeded in de-linking the silver dollar, in 1873.
There is only one exception to paying the full price ( of which I’m aware) : that being, a man who absolutely has to have it for medicine yet is broke. His story is one of the miraculous anecdotes of healing, which began when he started consuming by REAL MILK
reflecting on the last 5 years, it becomes clear that, by demanding they underwrite the capital cost of the cows / equipment, then pay the Agister in advance, I made shareholders UNlearn the Babylonian model wherein the end-user pays the usury charges compounded all along the line of supply. The REAL MILK battle is between the masters of the usury system working their ages-long plan for one world govt, versus practitioners of the free market. At the very bottom, it’s the Battle of the Ages. Which is why I keep pointing out the factors of race, and religion. The antichrists know that ( over the long haul ) dairying is one of the most profitable things to do, enabling a small-holder to make a living from the natural world, and so be independent of their iniquitous system. Honest money versus ‘the image of money’, is what it’s all about.
http://www.naturalnews.com/036123_aajonus_vonderplanitz_sharon_palmer_secret_audio.html
It is always questionable when any entity uses terms such as: “The secret audio” and doesn’t disclose who they are. How did this person (s) obtain the audio? Did they steal it? Since they are “secret” I can only assume they are obtained illegally. Which puts the character of the “goodguyswin” web site in question. Who is the “goodguyswin” ? Who owns it, who posts, and where did they get their information from, etc?
We need to keep our heads about us even when everything else is falling apart. The in-fighting at Rawsome, along with all the raw milk fights, are not beneficial to the people they serve, only to the regulatory people. Every time something negative is brought up (whether on a large or small scale) we do some damage to the food revolutions taking place. We are shooting ourselves in the foot, who doesn’t see that?
Guys like Vonder whatshisname do a great disservice to the hippie foodies (that’s what we’re called in my neck of the woods) because when something becomes all about the money, that should be a red flag to anyone involved. It’s also why the food revolution/slow food is not going to win this one. The damage has been done by the very people who were supposedly promoting it.
California – the land of fruits and nutz.
And to state more succinctly what I’m talking about with our leaders in charge, think about it like this: the corporation/gubment ideas are to centralize everything, globalize everything, control everything, grow gubment power, reduce the effectiveness of the citizenry, turn the public against each other, distract them and then rob them while theyre distracted. If an American does not yet understand this and how it is used to dominate the tide of our culture, then that person knows nothing and is lost. That person also does not understand how our media works – or should I say works against us. That’s the “distraction” part. We’re supposed to care about some movie star’s latest encounter with stupidity instead of paying attention to the real issues. That’s how we ended up with the Patriot Act and NDAA and any number of other things meant to debase us as American citizens and erode our rights to life and limb. And now they’re doing it with food. The really sad part is this is all happening while WE have our eyes wide open – because they know they can – from past experience.
http://www.businessinsider.com/this-chart-shows-the-bilderberg-groups-connection-to-everything-in-the-world-2012-6
Don’t email, don’t fax, don’t text or whatever – MAKE THE CALLS.
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Please call your U.S. Senators as soon as possible about the amendments listed below. If you don’t know who represents you, you can find out at http://www.senate.gov or call the Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121.
MESSAGE: “I am a constituent from ____ (state), and I urge Senator _______ to:
* Vote YES on the Paul Amendment #2180 to legalize interstate shipment of raw milk for human consumption;
* Vote YES on the Tester “Seeds & Breeds” Amendment #2234 to dedicate a portion of USDA’s research to classical breeding; and
* Vote NO on the Feinstein Amendment #2252 to impose uniform standards for egg production.”
More information on each amendment is provided below.
The amendments could be voted on at any time, so don’t wait – call now!
YES to SUPPORT RAW MILK – #2180
Support raw milk – Vote YES on Senator Rand Paul’s amendment #2180 to legalize interstate shipment of raw milk.
Senator Rand Paul has filed an amendment based on HR 1830/ S 1955, the bill that would overturn the FDA’s current ban on the interstate sale or distribution of raw milk and raw milk products for human consumption. States would still be free to impose whatever regulations they think appropriate, but the FDA would no longer be able to harass raw milk farmers and co-ops based solely on the fact that the milk is unpasteurized. Americans have the right to consume these products but access has been severely limited by the FDA’s regulations.
Consumers are increasingly seeking out raw milk as a natural, unprocessed food. Consumers and artisan food producers in states where raw milk cannot legally be sold (although it can legally be consumed) are seeking sources of raw milk from neighboring states. For example, consumers in Georgia buy raw milk from farmers in South Carolina, while consumers in New Jersey and Virginia seek out Pennsylvania raw milk farmers.
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YES to SUPPORT non-GMW SEEDS – #2234
Support non-GMO seeds – vote YES on Senator Tester’s “seeds and breeds” amendment #2234.
More and more, agriculture research is controlled by corporations who are focused on expanding their genetically engineered crops, and every year farmers are left with fewer choices of seeds that are not genetically engineered. Farmers who want to avoid growing genetically modified (GMOs) simply don’t have good alternatives. And when farmers have no options, consumers have no options.
In the last Farm Bill, Congress directed the USDA to make classical plant and animal breeding a priority for funding, but the agency imposed hurdles in the grant-making process that have undermined this Congressional mandate. Tester’s amendment would require the USDA to dedicate at least 5% of the grants for research to support classical breeding, as opposed to research on genetically engineered crops. The amendment does not call for any new expenditures by the government, merely an allocation of some existing research money for non-GMO research.
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NO to EGG BILL AMENDMENT – #2252
Protect pastured poultry producers from new regulations – vote NO on Senator Feinstein’s egg bill amendment #2252.
Senator Feinstein’s bill was developed by the US Humane Society and the United Egg Producers and requires various changes in the living conditions for caged laying hens. Although pastured producers do not use cages, they will still be affected by the bill’s requirements for labeling eggs and euthanasia. The bill’s exemption for small producers covers only those who handle eggs solely from a single flock of three thousand birds or fewer. Thus, if small farmers work together to create a joint brand for marketing purposes, they will not be exempt from the bill no matter how small their individual flocks are. And those farmers who are trying to expand consumer access to high-quality food by maintaining large enough flocks for wholesale or restaurant distribution will be subject to the bill.
The egg bill requires that eggs be labeled as either “eggs from free-range hens,” “eggs from cage-free hens,” “eggs from enriched cages,” or “eggs from caged hens.” There is no option for labeling the eggs as “pastured.” This means that pastured producers will be forced to label their eggs with the same label as a factory farm that allows the minimal access to the outdoors required for the free-range label, placing pastured producers at a significant competitive disadvantage.
The bill also places the American Veterinary Medical Association, an organization that has repeatedly supported factory farm production practices, in charge of what constitutes humane euthanasia for laying hens. It is unclear whether on-farm slaughter will be allowed, creating a significant problem for pastured producers who sell stewing hens once their layers are no longer productive.
While the conditions in factory chicken farms undoubtedly need to be changed, this bill is NOT the right way to do it.
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Thanks to all who make the calls. You’ll be glad you did and it only takes a minute or two for each call.
It’s really a good piece, but quite disheartening for the future, too.
http://libertypenblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/video-all-powerful-commerce-clause.html
http://mises.org/media/1851/The-Principles-of-98
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/09/08/with-or-without-federal-permission/
This may be a long shot, but if you live in Mid-Missouri, I would love to hear what you have to say about raw milk. I’m doing a multimedia project for one of my journalism classes about the controversy surrounding raw milk and need some quotes from consumers, farmers, critics, supports and anyone else who has an interest in the topic. Please email me at nicole.lunger@live.com if you’d be available for an interview. I live in Columbia, MO.
Thanks!