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Tuesday
12Feb2008

Musings on Presidential Politics and Food; A Last Word on Raw Milk Illnesses? Probably Not

obama-clinton.jpgAs cynical as I am about all this presidential stuff—the money that’s being spent on these campaigns is astounding—I’ve gotten caught up in the voting and sport of it all. It’s hard not to , given the characters and the drama. I’ll admit that I’m drawn to Barack Obama—he’s kind of a compatriot, having made his home and career in my tough old neighborhood on the South Side of Chicago. I actually have a theory about how the Democratic side will work out…but I’ll save that for the end.

What I was wondering about most immediately, in light of my recent posts about politics, is what the remaining presidential candidates might think about food and ag issues. I harbor no illusions that they think too much about them, but I wondered how they might react if they were asked about the National Animal Identification System (NAIS) or the government’s aggressive enforcement against raw milk producers or the cloning of cattle for meat and milk.

So I decided to look at their web sites—the first time I had looked at any of them—and got a few hints. Not surprisingly, none mention NAIS, raw milk, or cloning.

Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton at least acknowledge agriculture issues and mention the importance of family farms. Obama is the only one who discusses CAFOs (concentrated animal feeding operations) and promises to crack down on their pollution of waterways and land.

Clinton vows to “fight vertical integration, which has crippled American agriculture.” But she makes no mention of CAFOs—maybe because she has a past president of the National Pork Council heading the Rural Americans for Hillary committee.

And then there is John McCain. He says nothing on his web site about farming or food that I could find.

While I don’t harbor any illusions that any of these three would actually care a bit about food and sustainability issues, their appointees to places like the Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Department of Agriculture could make a difference.

I have a feeling that McCain might actually be most favorably inclined—sort of a watered down Ron Paul. I don’t agree with him on a lot of things, but I have since his 2000 campaign admired his efforts to push campaign finance reform and go up against Big Pharma. That’s why the so-called conservative movement is so afraid of him—he actually does seem to want to make some changes to the big-business gravy train politicians of all stripes have long favored.

By the time he gets through making all the promises he needs to make to “secure the Republican base,” that might all be forgotten. I expect that Obama and Clinton would be more inclined toward fostering the granny state, and accepting the bureaucrats’ argument that we must be “protected” against the ravages of bacteria-infected food coming from small farms. But maybe Obama would take offense at the regulators' tough-guy enforcement actions against small raw-milk producers...

Now, about my predictions. I think Obama is most likely in the process of building up enough momentum to win the Democratic nomination…but if he falters , he and Clinton could make a deal whereby Clinton is the nominee, but commits herself to a single term, after which the next term will be open to Obama. Under this arrangement, Obama will agree to run as her VP this November. If they fail to agree on anything, well, Al Gore waits. Remember, you heard it here first.

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On the debate over the mothers’ raw milk suits against Organic Pastures Dairy Co., I think there is more agreement than disagreement. Part of the problem is simply articulating what we mean, since the intricacies of food-borne illness are so complicated.

I think what I’ve been trying to say is something like this: Raw milk (produced to be consumed raw) should be treated in one of two ways by consumers, as well as the regulatory and legal establishment. Either it’s just another raw food, subject to very occasional contamination, just like hamburger and spinach. Or it’s a dangerous food, which you consume at your own risk.

If it’s the former, then consumers should be entitled to the same implied safety as any other food, and if a producer has somehow sent it to market contaminated, then he/she bears the responsibility. In that case, though, you have to prove very convincingly that the producer screwed up—not just have a cluster of illnesses and automatically eliminate all the other foods they consumed in common once you hear the words "raw milk."

If it’s the latter, then you accept responsibility when you purchase it that you and your family could get sick. Make it like going to a major league baseball game. The courts have long established that if you get injured by a foul ball, you can’t expect any help from the courts—you assume all the risk by entering the park because errant foul balls are part of the experience. If we as a society consider it dangerous, then put the onus on the purchasers for bad consequences. Don’t go after a producer after you become ill.

I don’t think you can have it both ways. Say it’s just another food and please protect us, public health authorities and courts…and then claim it’s inherently dangerous and the producer should be shot because your kids happened to get sick. Sorry.

Reader Comments (13)

Clinton (and all the rest) will most certainly not do anything to fight vertical integration and will follow the actions of her predecessors (and husband) in ignoring the Packers and Stockyards Act.

Don't look for McCain to do anything he hasn't done in Congress on this issue. He is as much an establishment candidate as any, no radical change here.
February 12, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterpete
Ron Paul is ANTI-NAIS, PRO-raw milk, PRO-small family farm, PRO-health choice freedoms and the ONLY candidate who is not bought and paid for by the "establishment". Just because you don't think he can win, doesn't mean he should be ignored. That's what the "main stream media" has been doing all along. Even without the media, he is STILL running. Can't say that about 8 other republican candidates, many of whom had the support of the media.

If you have not already done so, go to http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/ to see his views.

I don't agree with everything he stands for, but he is the only one who will fight for our constitutional rights.
February 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterEvelyn
Clinton, Obama, McCain, Huckabee, and all of the other presidential candidates, with the exception of Ron Paul (and Dennis Kucinich), are members of the Council on Foreign Relations - a Bilderberg front group. Bilderberg is the group behind Real ID, NAIS, the North American Union, the Federal Reserve, and the Trans-Texas Corridor.

Bilderberg owns the media. They tell you what you want to hear and give you the illusion of choice, that the candidates are different from one another. If you don't believe it, ask yourself: why is Ron Paul routinely excluded from televised debates and news reports?

If you vote for anyone BUT Ron Paul, you will be voting for the further degradation of the Constitution, since all the candidates besides Ron Paul belong to the same 'political family'.

If you're not familiar with Bilderberg, CFR, Real ID, or the North American Union, please google them. What's coming is frightening.
February 12, 2008 | Unregistered Commentercheryl
So you decided to check out the candidate's websites. Don't forget ronpaul2008.com. Since he is one of the three remaining Republican's still running, it can't be that hard to check them all out.
February 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterTroy
I probably should have said something about Ron Paul. He definitely has the most thoughtful analysis of "health freedom".
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/health-freedom/
I was focusing on candidates with a chance to win. Ron Paul generated a lot of buzz and raised a lot of money, but that stuff unfortunately didn't translate into significant votes. Maybe some of his message will leave a lasting impression.
February 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDavid Gumpert
David David David what are you smoking? McCain a watered down Ron Paul? McCain on TV has sung about bombing Iran he doesnt mind a 100 years war in Iraq. Which politico doesnt support HR 1955 and all the other UNCONSTITUTIONAL "laws" and Executive Orders ? Google the Executive Orders they are frieghtening. In just a few decades we have gone from the richest nation in history to the most indebeted by 9 TRILLION dollars, some say its even more. Ron Paul stood before the nation sounded the alarm that we are losing our liberties,freedoms and we are being PLUNDERED via the fiat monetary system. What was the reaction, he was scorned by MSM laughed at by the other politicos. Do we live in the land of the free??? We pay over 50% of our earnings in direct and indirect taxes, we are subjected to gun point medicine, we are afraid of the police, our justice system functions well for the rich. We live in a nation were a farmer can go to jail for giving away or selling a glass of "MILK" directly from a cow.
And how much longer will we be able express this kind of free speech publicly?
I love our country and many years ago spent 4 years serving in the USAF to perserve our freedoms,its not a pretty picture now.
Will any of these establishment politicos change any of this?
David, somebody tell me I am wrong and give me some hope. PLEASE
Don


February 13, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDon
A quick pop in on the two views of raw milk: these are false choices, though a good discussion like this would be interesting. One problem in the choices as they relate to the 2006 cluster is that apparently in two cases (Herzog and the child who got the colostrum as a snack), the parent was not the one to feed the child. The choice set also assumes that the consumer is informed and, as I've said before, the movement has a data communication problem.

Amanda
February 13, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAmanda Rose
Amanda, if you have specific additional cases to examine, or specific criticism of the WAPF analysis of the FDA powerpoint, that might be an appropriate basis for your conclusion. I don't think it is fair to make a general comment, as you have, that it can't be the way WAPF analyzes it, because it just can't be the way they analyze it. By saying this, you are both being circular and assuming that FDA's PPT is accurate. The WAPF critique of the FDA PPT is extremely thorough and transparent (BTW I did not do the analysis). Circular assertions which make a purely logical conclusion that the WAPF analys is incorrect, and consequently, that there is a communication problem, beg for specificity. Lacking that specificity, such assertions are not a fair basis for your conclusion, IMHO.
February 13, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSteve Bemis
Hi Steve. I am not referring to the FDA PPT by the way, but to the "Is Raw Milk Safe for Babies" table. The proper way for them to have done the California outbreak table in that baby article would have been to dismiss all cases that lacked a certain type of evidence, be they burgers or milk. Apparently they just dismissed the raw milk cases. I may be wrong -- perhaps they did just such an analysis for the table but did not make their methodology explicit. Maybe the analyst could post the research design here.

Amanda
February 13, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAmanda Rose
None of the 4 major candidates, IMO, offer any real opportunity to see big pharma, big ag subsidies, and a return to reason. Ron Paul has the right thoughts, but as the majority of Americans are simply not ready for the responsibilty of their own lives without the illusion of governmental safety and patriarchy, he does not stand a chance of being chosen by the populace, sorry to say.
I am not interested in a candidate who would embrace more UN control, thru CODEX, etc, as Clinton and Obama certainly would. I am also less than emthused about McCain or Huck. I see a Clinton Obama ticket, and increased nannyism. Depressing, but until more people wake up and decide, really decide, what choices they want to be "allowed" to make, we are likely to move towards a more controlling state.
February 13, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterkathryn
Amanda,
This may seem like a small point, but it isn't. The CA Dept of Health Services report
(http://www.marlerblog.com/rawmilk(1).pdf)
says, "One patient drank raw milk only once; he was served raw chocolate colostrum as a snack when visiting a friend." It doesn't say two children drank raw milk once while visiting a friend. It doesn't say a girl did. You make the inference about two children, because you know that Melissa Herzog said so numerous times on this blog. Doesn't that make you wonder a little about the rest of the health department's reporting? These are public health officials, scientifically trained, who supposedly investigated this case carefully. If they are inaccurate on such basic facts of the case, what else have they screwed up?
February 13, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDavid Gumpert
I'm not following you entirely, David, though I do see your larger point. I am not aware that the Herzog child had the milk only once, only that she was also not given it by a parent but by the girlfriend of the father. She was actually at the press conference in 2006 and from that event I didn't have the impression that it was a one-time thing but it very well may have been. I certainly don't know for sure. The father may have been fine with it in the decision too. Obviously I have no idea.

Amanda
February 13, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAmanda Rose
This is just an update on the “data communication deficit” I have been concerned about.

Sally Fallon is having her researcher look into my concern with the table of this page:
http://www.westonaprice.org/children/rawmilk.html

She was also concerned that I mischaracterized her vitamin D argument. I apologize for that. For those interested in her stance on breastfeeding, here is one of the articles on the WAPF website:
http://www.westonaprice.org/children/breastfeed.html

My third concern was the early 2008 press release that called government officials here “liars” regarding claims of cause in the 2006 E. coli 0157:H7 outbreak that the state ties to raw milk. The press release states that the outbreak was “definitively” tied to spinach and that no pathogens were ever found at the dairy. We now know that both of these statements are not true. The spinach claim in the press release was based on press accounts during the actual recall. The general claim that the state official was lying was based on the spinach information and the 11K settlement CDFA made with Organic Pastures in July of 2007. I did not clarify with her how she fact-checked the “no pathogens” statement. Here’s the press release I am referring to:
http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2008/04jan08.html

Here’s the settlement with CDFA:
http://www.organicpastures.com/pdfs/stipulation_release.pdf

In any case, some of the data problems will be researched by WAPF and they may or may not be data problems after all. The press release is what it is but perhaps fact checks would be in order in the future.

Amanda
February 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAmanda Rose
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