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Monday
May052008

At Mark Nolt Trial, a Hint of Hesitation from a Bureaucrat Enforcer; Is Pressure Getting to PDA?

IMG_1614.JPGEven the most despotic regimes hate to impose martial law and put soldiers into the streets to back up the police in putting down citizen uprisings. Despots worry that, when push comes to shove, and protesting citizens don’t do as they’re told, soldiers may hesitate before firing on their fellow citizens—possibly including friends and relatives--for something as terrible as carrying signs of protest or failing to obey orders to disperse. If that happens, the despots are really in the soup.

Listening to the lawyer-less Mennonite farmer, Mark Nolt, cross-examine Anthony Russo, a Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture microbiologist-turned-undercover-agent, got me thinking about such encounters between citizen soldiers and their subjects. Russo, a lanky bearded fellow who has been with the agency 21 years, had just testified about two occasions when top PDA food safety official Bill Chirdon asked…no, demanded, that Russo accompany him on an “undercover” assignment. The undercover assignment involved going to a farmer’s market near the state capital of Harrisburg and purchasing raw dairy products from Mark Nolt so he could be put on trial.

Russo's first assignment came July 6, 2007, at a farmer’s market in Carlisle, and went off without a hitch, as Russo purchased a half gallon of milk and a quart of kefir, as Chirdon waited outside the market in a car. Presumably Mark would recognize Chirdon, and possibly endanger the well planned and highly coordinated operation.

“I asked (Mark) about the kefir, and he said there were 13 positive bacteria in it,” recalled Russo. The employee took the items back to the lab and confirmed they were, indeed, raw dairy.

A week later, Chirdon made the same request of Russo. This time, Russo hesitated. “Once again, it was a busy day at work,” recalled Rousseau. “He (Chirdon) asked me to go. He’s my boss, so I said I would go.” Rousseau purchased half a gallon of milk and some buttermilk, and brought them to his boss waiting outside the market.

When the judge asked Mark if he had questions for Russo, Mark inquired about who drove the car and where they parked on each occasion.

Russo answered, obviously uncomfortable about having to confront the victim of his subterfuge, because he then volunteered: “I was nervous about going. I don’t like doing that kind of stuff. I was hoping you weren’t there because I didn’t want to get any samples.”

After the trial, and the guilty verdict by Judge Day, several of the Mennonite women in the audience—easily identifiable by their bonnets and traditional dresses—approached Russo and thanked him for his honesty. He seemed touched, as well he should have been. He’s just a regular guy trying to do his job, avoid trouble, and eventually get a nice pension.

Interestingly, the guy who put Russo up to all this, Bill Chirdon, wasn’t present at the trial. It’s apparently the first time he hasn’t shown up at a court proceeding or a raid that Mark can recall. Maybe Chirdon didn’t want to be called as a witness and have to be cross-examined by Mark. Or maybe he didn’t want to face questions about the questionable seizure of equipment during the most recent raid he led on Mark’s farm. Or maybe he didn’t want to face the battery of television and other reporters who waited outside when the trial ended (see photo above).

Later, back at the Nolt farm in Newville, where the inventory in the store’s cooler is a bit thin, Mary Ann Nolt, still in her black bonnet and purple dress, expressed wonder at what she had seen at the trial. “I was sitting in the court room and there were all these important people there. They have these degrees. They were taking time from their busy day for this. We’re just a tiny speck. Why are we so important? Why are we a threat to them?…I wonder when they go home tonight. Will they feel they did an honest day’s work? Will they feel good about what they did?”

Tony Russo may well have gone home with the same feeling lots of people in that courtroom had. None of us worked very hard, but we all sure needed a shower.

Reader Comments (32)

"Why are we a threat to them?…"

What is the answer to this?
May 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSylvia
Sylvia Why are we a threat to them, simple the TRUTH about raw dairy is the key that unlocks the door exposing the WHOLE SYSTEM. Just as Toto the scraggley dog pulled the curtain exposing the puppet pulling the strings freeing the people in THE LAND OF OZ, so to does the TRUTH about raw dairy expose those pulling the strings that enslave all of us.Its not just about raw dairy or food safety never was. PLAIN AND SIMPLE THE TRUTH SETS US FREE. Thats what they fear the above all else the TRUTH and EXPOSURE
May 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDon
"PA Agriculture Secretary Says Raw Milk Sales Legal in Pennsylvania With Permit, Testing"

The PDA just issued an interesting press release straight from its Agriculture Secretary Dennis Wolff declaring that sales of raw milk and aged cheese are legal from farms having a valid permit and allowing inspections. Could it be that some higher officials at the PDA are starting to feel some heat from the negative publicity following Mark Nolt's arrest and trial?

I'm really not sure who is the intended audience for this press release, since certainly farmers and raw milk consumers already know about the permitting process with its limitations and abuses. My guess is that it may be an attempt to quiet nosy questions from reporters and possibly even legislators, if Don is correct and an extensive letter-writing campaign is already in operation.

My advice is to keep up the pressure, and emphasize the fact that a dozen or so of the permitted farms have been subject to recalls due to phantom contamination issues in the past year. What good is a permitting process when it can be capriciously abused by those charged with enforcing it?

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/05-05-2008/0004806685&EDATE=

May 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDon Neeper
Don N Milk and Cheese Only. License are limiters to just raw milk and cheese, thats a big problem no butter no cream no yogurt no kefir. There is some absurd goofy term they use that makes these items become a nonentity someone explained it to me yesterday. It hurt my brain it was so absurd I didnot even try to understand it. I think people need to understand that we are dealing with MAD men with an agenda to stamp out raw dairy. Depressing how do you even converse with them?
May 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDon
Don W.,

Basically you take the imagery of 'jack-booted PDA thugs marching onto Mark Nolt's farm, tearing him from the arms of his family and throwing him in front of a judge' and use that to make an end run around the PDA. Hold that picture up to the press and your state's elected officials, tell them that the PDA is out of control, their so-called permitting process is flawed and capricious and demand that someone in an oversight position reign them in.

I'm starting to see some negative reactions to the Mark Nolt incident in the press but probably not enough to roll back their actions. You really need a ground-swell of negative press, which can only be accomplished by continuing to hammer on the story. CARE, PASA or someone else should write up a press release, send it to the local Associated Press offices and start shopping it around to all the local news outlets.

May 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDon Neeper
Sylvia,

The men who have worked long and hard to gain complete control over the dairy market and industry stand to lose everything they have gained,much of it in just the last 20 years.They have very close to monopoly control over the dairy products all of you folks can eat.The demand from people looking for better quality food offered small farmers an opportunity to step out of the tightly controlled milk market.

These independent farmers who sell direct to consumers are very much like slaves who have escaped the plantation back in the days of legal slavery.They are a bad example to the rest of the slaves who are being exploited by these men who control the market.Fear of being targeted as Mark Nolt has been is what is keeping many dairy farmers from becoming independent.

These men have put their agents in powerful positions such as the secretary of the Pennsylvania dept of ag in order to search out and punish these runaway slaves and to bring them back to the plantation if possible.Many of the states have industry employes in the agricultural departments.

Once the independent farmers get a taste of a true free market,they would rather die than go back to the plantation.You will see a lot more farmers like Mark Nolt who will stand up to these slave hunters.To go back to life under the thumb of those tyrants would be to lose everything including our self respect.

If we are no longer of use to them then we need to be eliminated.That is the grim reality of how the corporate executives think.They mean business and this will be a very difficult struggle.
May 6, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermiguel
Well stated Miguel trouble is people can not believe that slavery exists here in America especially us slaves.
"NONE ARE MORE ENSLAVED THAN THOSE WHO BELIEVE THEY ARE FREE" Goethe
The TRUTH about RAW DAIRY has enabled my wife and I to connect the dots and it is an exceedingly awful picture we see. I am convinced that the TRUTH about RAW DAIRY is the only reason these decievers so forcefully and so ruthless try to crush the raw dairy movement even if they destroy a family of 12. Why is our nation so blind, there should be OUTRAGE nation wide do they not know where the food comes from?
Don
May 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDon
Sure Don, they know where the food comes from - it comes from the grocery store, piled high and sold cheap. It appears there by way of spontaneous generation, in tidy packages. They don't want to see the man behind the curtain, or know the conditions on the pharms and in the slaughterhouses where their animal foods were produced, or understand how depleted and poisoned the soil is in which their plant foods were grown. It's so easy to keep shoveling in the nutritionally-vacant, toxic food and pretend all is well, let others do the thinking, caring and working.

May 6, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermothership
Wow, thanks for the responses. I see closing my eyes and clicking my heels, chanting "There's no place like home" won't show me the way.

My family comes from a long line of Patriots, our door stays open for the underground, in many forms.

I was going to say, no, people don't really know where their food comes from, Mothership beat me to it. I believe that people envision milk comes from the "happy cows" munching grass in the pastures that they see on TV or in pictures. They don't see the factory farms, the cows standing/laying in their own excretement, nor the ingredients to the slop they feed the animals. And not to forget the processing of ingredients... the added chemicals, the list goes on and on. Nope they have no clue where the food comes from or anything about it. Do they really care?

May 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSylvia
Sylvia,

I was pretty close to giving up on this blog after reading Milkfarmer earlier, but your sense of defeat below and the very true comment above ("happy cows") inspired a comment (sorry to everyone who hoped a government participant would go away ASAP--getting there)...

From Sylvia (previous post): "Speak out? I do, as I expect other consumers do. As the minority what else can we do? Letters are continuely written, I've contributed to..."

IMHO, the only way to find some workable solutions between farmers and regulators is through the grassroots/local effort. The "top down" approach of FDA and states obviously isn't working very well. However, I am seeing the same top-down appraoch here, especially recent posts. Instead of dialogue, it's all black and white ("we're right," anyone who disagrees is wrong, and if they are from the government, they are super wrong. Period).

And, this comment on Milkfarmer's post: "MM’s goal of getting raw milk into as many stomachs as possible is the right one (whether 400 cow dairies is the best way to go about it is debatable)."

Again, IMHO, having a quota/goal to increase raw milk consumption is either: 1) profit driven or 2) a religion. Even though I want to taste Bob H's feta, I am disturbed that someone out there has a "goal" to put raw milk in my stomach. Sure hope the raw milk movement doesn't suddenly start coming to my door with flyers and samples to "save my soul."

I'll continue with my new found opinion to support raw milk product availability at the local level with good, cooperative farmers. But, if a stomach quota appears more important than the safety, I'll work to test you out of business (especially the producers selling and marketing product in stores and on the internet...across state lines...).
May 6, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterconcerned2
C2, Sounding like a defeatist was not my intention. I made mention of what I’ve done thus far, and I was inquiring what else I could do. Just to clarify, I believe it is a persons choice what they wish to consume. Give up with something I believe in (freedom to choose)? Not a chance. I may stop and look at the situation from a different angle, or sit back and watch/listen to others, I don’t give up. If something that I believe should be my choice, is outlawed, then what is to stop the govt from taking something else away? This is milk, not WMD. From my corner it looks like raw dairy is singled out.

The “black and white” vision? That can be said for many people; govt and all. People who have a passion in what they believe bring life to the table. Life is full of choices.

What exactly is the “grassroots/local” effort?

I suppose it depends on how you interpret the context of the “quota/goal to increase raw milk consumption” statement. Was MM referring to educating the population on raw dairy by making it available to everyone? Or was MM just wanting to increase sales? Religion? I hadn’t looked at it that way.

I would like to believe that safety/sanitation is the utmost importance with any product to be consumed. I would also believe that most dairy farmers try their best to maintain sanitary conditions as it is their livelihoods, they don’t want to be sued or out of business. (I say ‘most’ as there are unscrupulous people in all fields). So far MM appears to have done quite well with maintaining sanitary conditions as has Claravale. If their methods are taken and expanded upon then a template could be made for other raw dairies.

What is the difference between the regulations of sanitation at raw dairies and the factory dairies? I am curious.
May 7, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSylvia
It seems to me that our raw milk community polemicizes this issue. I learned from the Colorado experience that our enemies can be friends....There was an incident in a parking lot one night after a frustrating meeting; when a Dariy Farmer lobbyist who vehemently opposed the cowshare bill was accosted by a wino in the parking lot. Turns out David Lynch (who she previously refused to meet with) was there at the same time, and he coaxed the drunk away from her. The next day, we reached a compromise on the cow-share bill.
We are after all, still human,with human connections and loyalties. Don't forget the honeybee principle. Talk to them. Go to their office. Show them. Teach them.
my 2cents,
-Blair

May 7, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterBlair McMorran
David Lynch is a good person (that might not want to be identified here, but what the hey). We are humans (government workers) and as scientists do not have a "goal." We have hypotheses based on data, recommendations based on that science, and a desire to find the best way to communicate with people to prevent food poisoning.
May 7, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterconcerned2
Sylvia I truely hope you are right that most dairy farmers strive to maintain a clean operation. But as I observe driving a round here in Pa. dairy country I see about 8 filthy dairy farms with confined cows and 2 clean ones where I buy raw dairy.
I have no confidence in any ofthe reg. guys that my taxs pay for. Since they aprove "LICENSES" for filthy farms how could one believe anything they say.
May 7, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDon
It's not just about sanitation.Cow health is just as important. This is where the small dairies that have their cows on pasture excell.

Have you ever seen a group of factory farm cows exhibit their happiness by putting their tails in the air and dancing around? All of the factory farm cows I have seen are obviously depressed.Does milk from depressed cows produce depression in people?
May 7, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermiguel
Differences of opinions happen. It's different when you say that you don't like someone, or someone is less in your eyes, BECAUSE of an opinion. I'm not the one passing judgment on PEOPLE, for what they write. One can disagree with a premise, argue against it, and not 'hate' the other who is offering it. One can agree with the motivation and message, and disagree with the presentation.

C2- stomach quotas are not what I'm talking about, but from someone sympathetic to government I understand how you might want to foster that notion. The piece missing from your post is CHOICE. No one here is talking about forcing raw milk onto anyone. What we all are fighting for is the right for those that want to consume milk raw, have the opportunity to do so. The people who are into the 'force' aspect are the goons that are attempting to take raw milk farmers down.

While it's nice that a single lab tech has been shown a glimmer of the light, the attitude of testing someone out of business reeks. How do you test someone out of business....charge lots of money for each test, do what is possible to get negative results? Please, testing anyone out of business belies the 'blind eye of science' and is totally unprofessional. It’s agendas like this that we are fighting to overcome. And it is this attitude that fosters a distrust of government and its lackeys. Oh that’s right, you’ll only do it to me because you don’t agree with what I do or write….stellar logic, impressive morals.

People can be passionate about something and not let it take control of their lives. People can know the specialness of something and not make it rule their world (ala religion). When you see something that’s really good, and has helped change people for the better, that last thing you want to do is hide it, or make it less accessible. Raw milk is a wonder. Just listen to folks like Don. It has altered the quality of lives. There are thousands of stories like his all across the country. Why should we settle for thousands of miracles when we could have millions? (now that attitude, any governmental employee should be able to understand) No, casting raw milk aficionados as cultist or evangelical is just more of the same scare tactics we have come to expect from those spouting the governments party line. Those who must use fear to get their way are truly serving the dark side.

Fear is what Chirdin and this campaign in PA want to promote. The threat and spectre of being shut down, cast into financial ruin, and publicly humiliated is the easiest way for the authorities to maintain control and keep everyone in line. It’s a process (fear keeping people in line) that churches and governments have been using for centuries. I contend that continuing to produce raw milk for human consumption, in the face of this campaign and others like it, is a brave and heroic act. Not because there is no fear, but because farmers continue to produce in spite of it.

No c2, until every American has the right to contract with a farmer to produce his/her food, and the farmer can do it without extraneous demands from government, there is still much work to do.

PS I’m sorry that your participation here rests on individual posts. Threatening to leave is another childish method that is gaining popularity on internet forums. Reminiscent of the ‘take my ball and go home’ when we were kids growing up, it is a weak attempt to make others become sympathetic. Stay if you like, or go, but don’t try to unload the responsibility for that decision on others.
May 7, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermilkfarmer
Miguel,

Loved your post on the ex plantation workers. So ironic when you see all the captains of industry bloviating about the "free market".

There is ample evidence that a diet consisting of processed corn can cause depression in humans. I don't think it's a far stretch to imagine an unnatural diet (and the obvious poor environment) can cause depression and illness in cows as well. Then in turn, the resulting high omega-6 to omega-3 ratio in the meat and milk from these animals causes chronic disease, including depression, in humans.

Really, it is a nasty cycle.
May 7, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterKirsten
Don, I was generalizing and at the time I posted, I was not thinking about the factory farms. I was envisioning OP and some of the smaller farms I've driven past. I should have been most specific. There are a few small "factory" dairies within 10 miles of my dad's home, one has a sign out for "Crystal" milk and the other for "Land of Lakes". I wouldn't consider slopping hogs with that milk. The stench is overwelming.
May 7, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSylvia
Nice dig, Milkfarmer: "While it's nice that a single lab tech has been shown a glimmer of the light, the attitude of testing someone out of business reeks.

After wiping the sand out of my eyes, it seemed clear that a single anybody (even a simple "lab tech") has the potential to ignite positive change. Bob eloquently addressed the second point of that sentence.

We'll just play on opposite sides of the sandbox for now. Take care.
May 7, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterconcerned2
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