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Thursday
07Aug2008

While We’re Debating Raw Milk Lab Tests, the Regulators and Lawyers Are Having a Great Laugh

We really are nice people here at this blog. Here these regulators in New York, and elsewhere, are crapping all over dairy farmers, and Amanda Rose is wondering if absolutely positively every step in the lab test done for Lori and Darren McGrath is the same as that done for the state.

Take it from me, the tests are the same—based on long-established public health and government guidelines. The regulators, if they are reading the exchanges here, are laughing themselves silly at such a focus on the tests themselves.

How do I know they take us for fools? For starters, I know they won’t talk about their tests in any meaningful way. I requested explanations from Will Francis, head of the Ag & Markets Division of Milk Control, and Jessica Chittenden, the Ag & Markets PR person, as to why the state’s test of the Autumn Valley Farm might have come out differently from a private lab’s tests following the same procedures, and they ignored my request. (You can go to their site and send your own emails to Francis and others at the division.)

Okay, nothing new there. They have made clear on any number of occasions they don’t like the discussions that go on here, and have no intention of answering questions.

However, Chittenden did speak to one of the media that is more sympathetic to the Ag & Markets cause, The Oneonta Daily Star. It reported on the listeria finding at Autumn Valley Farm, just like I did, and it even contacted the McGraths, which is a huge step forward for a small-town rag like the Daily Star.

But true to its role as a government mouthpiece, it buried that important piece of information. So Chittenden talked to that paper, and essentially said the Ag & Markets test is right because, well, it’s the Ag & Markets test. Not only did Ag & Markets follow federal protocol, which all major labs doing such testing do, but, “We have all the confidence in the world in the nationally renowned testing laboratory.” So what the hell are these stupid farmers making such a stink about?

Actually, if you want to know more of the underlying motivations here, just read a recent blog posting by Chris Galen, the marketing vice president of the National Milk Producers Federation. This is the organization that represents most of the nation's milk cooperatives, which handle much of the nation’s milk processing and distribution. He argues that this whole raw milk movement is going to be harassed out of business by legal actions against farm producers of raw milk. Aggressive suits “represent the beginning of the end of the movement,” he predicts.

When I challenged him on his blog about the seriousness of the public health problem posed by raw milk, he said I was missing the point. Which is?  “...the point is that there is now much greater financial incentive for them (victims) to come forward and through the tort process seek redress for their illnesses.”

What we are seeing with these fraudulent listeria cases by New York’s Ag & Markets is an example of legal harassment.

The regulators’ rationale is simple: We’ll go after a few producers, make their lives miserable, and make sure the word gets around to other producers, as well as conventional dairy farmers who may be thinking about getting in on the raw milk action. (As Lori McGrath states in her comment, many of these would-be producers have already gotten the message.) And we’ll be providing lots of evidence to the ambulance chasers, who will do more of our work, and extract financial penalties from the farmers.

Let the farmers get independent split sample tests and video recordings of our screwups. We’ll just ignore them. We’re the government and we can do what we want. We're like the mafia. Who’s going to stop us?

Now, as Gary Cox and others point out, if you get enough of such documentation, and give the regulators enough of their own Big Brother treatment, and file enough lawsuits against them, you may eventually get the attention of a sympathetic legislator or two.

As I’ve said before, I think the economic incentives associated with the growing demand for raw milk will eventually lead to so much production it will overwhelm the regulators. A major article in yesterday’s Washington Post about the growing acceptance of the Weston A. Price Foundation’s food philosophy is just the latest example of the changing public perceptions. But it will be a long haul, with casualties and lots of government laughter along the way.

Reader Comments (38)

David,
Them's fightin' words... They don't understand who they're up against. An army of outraged, betrayed and enlightened moms, fighting for their children's vitality. The truth is slowly but surely dawning; never underestimate our passion, courage, and wallets. They don't stand a chance.

We'll win eventually, because their children won't be able to get a high school diploma, let alone procreate. Let them sink into orthodontic, constipated, diabetic obesity.

Ooh, I'll probably pay for this post...:-)
Ducking and running,
-Blair
August 7, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMary Blair McMorran
p.s. Today I renewed my membership to Farm to Consumer Legal Defense fund, and I checked the box to confirm automatic renewal. Send them money, please!
-Blair
August 7, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMary Blair McMorran
It appears the growing acceptance and changing of the public perceptions will be the govts down-fall. The recent and continued food contaminations only enforce it.

Prohibition didn't work, neither will thier attempts to outlaw raw dairy. Snickering here- they be laughing now, the fat lady ain't sung yet. As was posted about the added hormone, montsano (sp) is selling that part of their business? LOL The public won on that aspect, and they will come through on the raw dairy.
August 8, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSylvia
"raw milk aficionados seem to blithely ignore"

David, I took this quote from the blog link you posted. Numerous other people make this or a like statement. What makes these people think that raw milk drinkers ignore the potential for and/or contamination of raw milk? Anything can be contaminated
....tomatoes, peppers, meats, poultry, etc.
August 8, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSylvia
Sylvia,

I agree with you, in part. Prohibition of alcohol was a failure - society enjoys the benefits of a buzz, and pays dearly for the health consequences.

Raw milk is very much the same, except far fewer people choose to drink up. As you expand the distribution of this product, the illnesses, outbreaks, and eventually deaths will pile-up. Will society continue to support raw milk because of its great health benefits, while they watch kids go on dialysis? Does raw milk give enough of a buzz to keep society excited about the product?

Rhianna
August 8, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterRhianna
Rhianna thats a great idea lets expand the use of and distributon of raw milk from GRASS FED CLEAN HEALTHY COWS. You could even start with us poor old folks, stop giving us the poison pills, the poison needles, the fluoridated water, and the weekly allopathic MD visits. Let us sit or walk for an hour a day in the sunshine, let us drink a quart of raw milk, a cup of raw cream and eat 1/4 lb of raw butter and 4 eggs a day for 6 months. Maybe just maybe some of us old folks would not die broke at the hands of the disease management system? So Rhianna lets get out the blank charts and plot the graphs that should surely put to rest the so called raw dairy debate. YUM pass me the OUTLAWED raw butter and the OUTLAWED raw cream.
August 8, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDon
True, fewer people drink raw milk than those who drink pasturized milk. A factor in that is; the raw milk isn't as accessable to all who would drink it. Plus the govt's fear mongering of raw dairy contributes to falsehoods and misguided annalysis.

Of the whole group of known raw dairy consumers, in comparison (using the various links posted here over time) to pastureized dairy, raw dairy contamination has shown to be much less.

Society does enjoy the buzz from alcohol, and the consequences may affect the drinkers health, it has the potential to also affect those around them; traffic accidents, abuse, etc.

Society does appear to support the selling and consumption of putrid fast/processed foods, the over medicating of children, lack of discipline, poor health standards, gangs, etc. So why wouldn't they support the choice of consuming raw dairy? Humph they'd be getting less chemicals added to their bodies, imagine that!

Society appears to support the contamination of other foods. Meat, poultry, vegatables, etc are still consumed. Why is raw dairy different? Who is pushing the fear mongering? What are they afraid of? If such a small amount consume raw dairy, why the clamp-down on the little guy? Again, when compared to other contaminated foods, raw dairy is a very tiny slice. Why aren't the "powers that be" going after the real criminals-those who continue to sell contaminated products? Who is in whose pocket?

Why should the govt be allowed to say what I can and cannot consume? Who are they to say how I raise my family? Will they be dictating other foods? Will they be dictating my religion? How dare anyone stick their nose in my business.
August 8, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSylvia
"stop giving us the poison pills, the poison needles, the fluoridated water, and the weekly allopathic MD visits"

I think society is slowly moving away from this. And that is a good thing.
August 8, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSylvia
David,

To determine that I am pregnant, I could take two very basic pregnancy tests at an approved lab. One would give me a yes/no, one would give me a hormone level. Both are approved but they are both different. With my first, my level at 4 weeks was so low that I would have gotten a false negative on a qualitative test. All of this is to say that I am really not going to be too outraged over this particular instance unless someone can actually tell us what the tests were.

Amanda
August 8, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAmanda Rose
As good as the Washington Post article was, there was counterbalance this week in The New Yorker, where medical reporter Jerome Groopman (author of "How Doctors Think") reports on the growing menace from antibiotic-resistant drugs http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/08/11/080811fa_fact_groopman .

The article is almost totally focussed on the drug/medical research aspects of these bugs, although Groopman does give substantial credit to Michael Pollan's reporting that antibiotic resistance comes in not-insignificant measure through the antibiotics fed to animals in the food chain. This itself is not really news, since John Robbins (among many others, I'm sure) reported this significant avenue of mass inoculation years ago in his various vegetarian advocacies (Food Revolution).

The discussions which we've had on this blog concerning the balance of good/bad bugs and the largely not-understood dynamics of the 80% of human immune system which resides in the gut, were depressingly absent from Groopman's reporting. To the extent that New Yorker readers rely on the mag for peeks into the latest in science and medicine (among other fields), they aren't getting the latest thinking on how mother nature works, outside of the laboratories of drug companies and their myopic focus on technology and the war against bugs.
August 8, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSteve Bemis
The blog link (National Milk Producers) is about food injury litigation rather than pressure from regulators. Advise about split testing will not help a bit against Marler-Clark. Perhaps farmers do need to have customers sign liability waivers. That would reduce the market of the dairy farm, but it is its own insurance. I am curious what small farmers think about that option.
August 8, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAmanda Rose
Speaking of food injury lawyers, I got a great big belly laugh on the Marler blog a couple of weeks ago (which is really pretty hard to do there):

http://www.marlerblog.com/2008/07/articles/lawyer-oped/one-of-my-favorite-pictures/
August 8, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAmanda Rose
Amanda,

If you are curious about the tests, do your due diligence and FOIA them.
August 8, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterkirsten
Sorry, this post is off topic.

There’s a multi-state E.coli 0157:H7 outbreak involving Nebraska Beef Ltd. Multiple people purchased beef from a Whole Foods Market in Massachusetts and are now ill, some being hospitalized. It’s been identified as the matching blueprint to the outbreak. How disappointing that Whole Foods is selling crappy hamburger as natural or organic, and hopefully, not as grass fed. This is outright fraud. Integrity is lacking everywhere. I guess you not only need to “know your farmer” but you also need to “know your market”.

Go to Bill Marler’s blog for details. With all the new clients, he’s going to need to hire more attorneys at his firm.
August 9, 2008 | Unregistered Commentercurious
curious -- Thanks for the heads-up. That's fascinating.

kirsten -- For my part, I would confirm that the tests were actually the same before going bananas over it. There are different tests for listeria just like there are different tests for pregnancy (see my example above). I expect the information is reasonably accessible to the farm in question. If no one but me is actually interested in whether these are the same tests, I guess it's not all that important after all.
August 9, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAmanda Rose
I'd never do that to one of my children. Raw milk, yes. Compare my offspring affectionately to an evil beast that ingests humans? No. My philosophy of life doesn't condone predation. It is funny, but then again, it is not.

Gwen
August 9, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterelderberryjam
curious,

I went to the Marler blog and found the Whole foods story and these new ones about raw milk illnesses!

http://www.marlerblog.com/2008/08/articles/legal-cases/e-coli-linked-from-cow-to-victims-and-simsbury-town-farm-dairy/

E. coli Linked from Cow to Victims and Simsbury Town Farm Dairy
Posted on August 9, 2008 by E. coli Lawyer
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The Courant reported this morning that the Connecticut State Department of Agriculture said Friday that the E. coli outbreak that seriously sickened five people who drank raw milk from the Town Farm Dairy most likely came from one cow.

http://www.marlerblog.com/2008/08/articles/case-news/update-campylobacter-infection-strikes-consumers-of-raw-milk-in-california/

UPDATE - Campylobacter Infection Strikes Consumers of Raw Milk in California

We have recently learned of individuals in Northern California who have become seriously ill after consuming raw cow’s milk tainted with the bacteria campylobacter. At least one person remains hospitalized after consuming the milk and developing Guillain-Barré (ghee-yan bah-ray) syndrome (GBS).
August 9, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterCathy
According to Conn. ag dept problem most "likely" came from one cow. HMM
http://www.courant.com/news/local/fv/hc-simdairy.art09,02888400.story
August 9, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDon
developing Guillain-Barré

This used to be a rare disorder, many develop it after getting the flu vacc too. Do you think there is a possibility of correlation?

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec17/ch190/ch190e.html?qt=campylobacter&alt=sh

"Campylobacter normally inhabits the digestive tract of many domestic animals and fowl. Water may become contaminated from the feces of infected animals. The most common form of Campylobacter infection is gastroenteritis (see ), which may be acquired by drinking contaminated water, eating undercooked poultry or meat, or having contact with infected animals."

Some things just make you want to go hmmmmm.
August 9, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSylvia
"Campylobacter infection is now known as the single most identifiable antecedent infection associated with the development of GBS."


Clin Microbiol Rev. 1998 Jul;11(3):555-67.

Campylobacter species and Guillain-Barré syndrome.

Nachamkin I, Allos BM, Ho T.

Since the eradication of polio in most parts of the world, Guillain-Barré
syndrome (GBS) has become the most common cause of acute flaccid paralysis. GBS
is an autoimmune disorder of the peripheral nervous system characterized by
weakness, usually symmetrical, evolving over a period of several days or more.
Since laboratories began to isolate Campylobacter species from stool specimens
some 20 years ago, there have been many reports of GBS following Campylobacter
infection. Only during the past few years has strong evidence supporting this
association developed. Campylobacter infection is now known as the single most
identifiable antecedent infection associated with the development of GBS.
Campylobacter is thought to cause this autoimmune disease through a mechanism
called molecular mimicry, whereby Campylobacter contains ganglioside-like
epitopes in the lipopolysaccharide moiety that elicit autoantibodies reacting
with peripheral nerve targets. Campylobacter is associated with several
pathologic forms of GBS, including the demyelinating (acute inflammatory
demyelinating polyneuropathy) and axonal (acute motor axonal neuropathy) forms.
Different strains of Campylobacter as well as host factors likely play an
important role in determining who develops GBS as well as the nerve targets for
the host immune attack of peripheral nerves. The purpose of this review is to
summarize our current knowledge about the clinical, epidemiological,
pathogenetic, and laboratory aspects of campylobacter-associated GBS.
August 9, 2008 | Unregistered Commenteranonymous
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