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Friday
Dec252009

DATCP’s Christmas Message to Scott Trautman: We Will Break You, and You Will Stand Alone

Scott Trautman rallying demonstrators outside the courthouse before Max Kane's court appearance in Viroqua last Monday.Wisconsin’s Department of Agriculture, Trade, and Consumer Protection is signaling that it takes Scott Trautman very seriously, and that it intends to bring the strongest force at its disposal to discourage farmers from following his example of defiance.

Its latest salvo in its war against the outspoken dairy and meat farmer has been to suspend two licenses that allow him to sell meat to consumers. Following on its suspension of his Grade A dairy license in October, DATCP is essentially seeking to deprive him of a way to earn a living, hoping he'll go out of business and disappear out of the agency's life.

Trautman says he was given no reason for the suspensions, except he was told that his existing licenses weren’t appropriate, and that he should obtain a food establishment license from his county’s board of health. That would involve adding a bathroom and other upgrades he doesn’t require. He notes that he’s had the two DATCP-issued licenses for six years, without any inspection problems. “There’s no safety issue,” he told me last evening.

The real explanation is more simple, and obvious. “I’m being punished for speaking out” against DATCP’s seemingly arbitrary crackdown on Wisconsin dairy farmers and distributors.

The agency had previously taken away his Grade A dairy license. Consumers had come to his rescue by purchasing much more beef from him than they had previously. “People have been supporting us by buying meat.”

Trautman was so upset by this latest DATCP action that he traveled to the state capital in Madison on Christmas Eve, and attempted to meet with the governor, Jim Doyle, but he was turned down. He remained outside the governor’s mansion in the freezing rain, together with Adam Kane (Max’s brother) for about four hours. He had suggested on his blog that he was chaining himself to the fence around the governor’s mansion and starting a hunger strike, all out of his terrible desperation, but he then decided not to take those actions.

He told me later last evening, from his home, that he decided that such action wasn't the best for him to take now, but his change of heart didn't mean he was giving up. "DATCP hasn't heard the last from me," he said.

Trautman is frustrated because his only avenue of appeal of the license suspension is to go to DATCP. It’s not likely to be sensitive in reviewing the case. Those on this blog who object to the licensing authority that gives state agencies so much power certainly have a great case for their view in the raw brute intimidation now going on in Wisconsin.

While DATCP is seeking to break Scott Trautman by making it impossible for him to earn a living, its more important goal is to send a message to other farmers: don't mess with DATCP.

It’s classic authoritarian behavior. The only thing that distinguishes the DATCP approach from the old Soviet Union's approach to rebels is that there, when individuals spoke out against harassing authorities, the individuals were sometimes classified as mentally deranged, and then committed to mental institutions, where they were given powerful anti-psychotic drugs that often did drive them crazy. All that’s missing here is an effort to commit Scott Trautman to a mental institution. Maybe that’s next?

Actually, the bigger question is this: will DATCP’s latest intimidation of Wisconsin’s dairy farmers and consumers outrage them enough that they go to bat for Trautman? DATCP is clearly counting  against that happening.

Wisconsin farmers and consumers have organized the Wisconsin Alliance for Raw Milk, accessible on Facebook, to organize themselves against DATCP. One piece of advice: hold your real deliberations off the Internet, since you know DATCP will be monitoring this Facebook site.

Reader Comments (37)

"All that’s missing here is an effort to commit Scott Trautman to a mental institution. Maybe that’s next?"

Things appear to be moving in that direction.

"will DATCP’s latest intimidation of Wisconsin’s dairy farmers and consumers outrage them enough that they go to bat for Trautman? "

I hope and pray that they do speak out, loudly.
December 25, 2009 | Registered CommenterSylvia Gibson
British Columbia raw dairy farmer Gordon Watson suffers the same treatment as small US dairy farmers.
http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2009/12/24/b-c-regulators-issue-cease-and-desist-orders-against-home-on-the-range/#more-12762
"British Columbia deemed hundreds of gallons of pure whole fresh milk to be a biohazard and sent it down the drain"
No illnesses no complaints and no "bad germs" found! How many in Canada are on food stamps the bread lines of our 21 century?
Can we now say that there is a North American war on raw dairy but no cross border coordination among the attacking war parties?
December 25, 2009 | Registered CommenterDon Wittlinger
What would DATCP do if Scott sold the whole cow alive and it was taken to a butcher shop and prepared for the buyer? We can do that in the state I live in.There are so many ways to make a living on a small farm.Trying to kill a small farm is like squeezing a balloon.Squeeze it in one place and it bulges in another.As long as the sun shines and the rain falls and there is life in the soil,we can convert that into something that people want.Hopefully we will convert that energy into many different things so that cutting off one thing is not a threat to our existence.

The idea that the State can make applying for a license mandatory and also write the terms of the licensing contract is false.Look at the Pasteurized Milk Ordinance.The state is authorized to "issue" licenses.That means that no one else can issue a license.It certainly doesn't mean or say that the state can require a license or decide who is required to be licensed.That is the power of the buyer or herdshare member.If you want to sell grade A milk,the buyer will require a grade A license.Why would anyone want to sell grade A milk these days.That is little better than dumping your milk.

Can anyone on the regulator side show me an act,statute,regulation or law that clearly states that the state can require anyone to apply for a license in order to produce ,or even sell, meat or milk?I do mean an actual written act,statute, regulation or law not someone's interpretation.If you can find it ,please publish a link to it."A law that is not unequivocal,that can be interpreted in more than one way, is void for vagueness."
December 25, 2009 | Registered Commentermiguel
Put all the current legalities aside and look at the recent events in Viroqua as a wake up call. The latest push of authorities might only be a test to see how far the raw milk movement and its allies are prepared to go. At least that is what I would do to gain a better understanding about this food rebellion.
When my second milk battle started in 2006 I was mentally prepared to go all the way to find a solution to this controversy here in Canada. I was udderly surprised about the willingness of people to join the fight. No, the issue was not anymore raw milk, it became the much larger issue of finding ones own courage to resist the dictatorship of bureaucracy for the sake of our food freedom or food sovereignty.
It seems as if the raw milk revolution still thinks it can have a revolution which needs to be allowed and approved under the current system. I have no illusion that real sacrifices are necessary (not to be a martyr or a hero ) to signal the authorities that those behind the food revolution are serious.
I do believe that there are key people who can take on a crucial role in this battle.
No wonder Scott got another slap in his face to test his character.
He needs that to recognize his ability to make a difference.
You can do it Scott and Max and all the other courageous friends. These events make all of us stronger more united and honest.
This is not about us, this about our children, our country and our dignity.
Lets cultivate the land, the souls and the spirit of civil disobedience.
There is no other choice left.
Michael Schmidt
December 25, 2009 | Registered CommenterMichael Schmidt
Regulation Without Representation is Tyranny.

A consequence of the numerous challenges to the farmer's right to produce, provide and for consumers to obtain raw milk is an increase in legal costs in fighting for these rights. If you can, donate to the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund:

http://www.ftcldf.org/make-a-donation.html
December 25, 2009 | Registered CommenterSteve Bemis
Bill, CP, Lykke,

Will any of you please answer my question:

Do any of you agree that there are two raw milks in America?

One for people and one for the pastuerizer.

Various states have shown this to be true. When a state sets up when designed standards and bacteria testing...that raw milk has been shown to be quite safe.

Raw milk produced under the very loose standards of the PMO is quite different. It is never tested for pathogens and is commingled with other raw milk that is destined to be pastuerized.

Can you all agree that these raw milks are different? I am not asking for an admission that raw milk produced for people is perfect...no food is. I am asking for a consencus that there are two different categories of raw milk.

Please give me an answer to this very basic question. The FDA commingles data between these two categories of raw milks and that does not allow an intellectual discussion of raw milk safety.

Glad to hear that Michael is better.

Mark
December 25, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark McAfee
bill marler, to be clear, this is what I said in my earlier response to your comment:

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"bill marler,

if YOU want to define it as "final consumer," then yes, obviously that's what i meant.

of course, a "direct" transaction between a producer and a consumer cannot involve anybody other than a "final consumer" because there's only one consumer, the person who was involved in the direct transaction. a direct transaction by definition eliminates any third party broker or mediator or intermediary.

given this, i'm glad you agree that direct transactions between producers and consumers do not fall within the police powers of the government and thus fall outside of government's jurisdiction.

hence, all we need is a court to agree with that argument since it seems pretty basic and elementary. in that way we will regain our liberties."
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so you see everybody, bill marler and i agree that a direct transaction between a farmer and a consumer should not be regulated by the government.

merry christmas and happy holidays. especially to those who are putting their livelihoods on the line.
December 25, 2009 | Registered CommenterGary Cox
Michael, your point is well taken:
"I have no illusion that real sacrifices are necessary (not to be a martyr or a hero ) to signal the authorities that those behind the food revolution are serious."
As others have said previously on this blog, it's much easier to give up liberties than it is to get them back. We must always pay very dearly to wrest our liberties back. The authorities are now testing whether we are willing to pay the price.

David
December 26, 2009 | Registered CommenterThe Complete Patient
I have been to his website. Where can I send money for his defense?
December 26, 2009 | Registered Commenterkirsten weiblen
Hello and Merry Christmas to all--Scott Trautman here.

I continue to consider myself profoundly blessed - all the incredible people that have come into my life, how absolutely perfect everything but everything has worked out. How's that? Perfect? Yep. All as it should be.

If their brutality were not this obvious - people would not be outraged, and farmers would not unite.

If I had not been "caught" - I would still be afraid today, silent and feeling terrible about myself. Which I DO NOT want others in hiding to feel -- you each have a role - it's just God has given me certain abilities and it is clear He wants me to use them. I could not have done that from hiding.

With these meat licenses removed: Yet more people join us in this fight; becoming more and more clear what needs to be done.

With my protest at the Governor's mansion: I learned much of myself. I am ill-suited to standing around. I can't do it. I am a do-er, and this accomplished the goal of bringing more people into the fight, as well as determining just where the Governor is with all this. I still am profoundly disappointed in him, and I would say humbly if he hasn't been listening all along - that he has missed my message - of peace - of understanding - of pleading for all of Wisconsin's family farms - and if his reaction is pushing back from mine - now in anger, then it is me who has failed.

I know "they" look at all I do, and I do 'announce' what I am going to do regularly. But I can tell you all this: I am far from done. I'm only getting started. I will use my God given skills to help people. If the Governor is uninterested in the plight of Wisconsin's dairy farmers, I will move on to others who will.

When I speak and act purely from love - I am heard and I am effective. When I speak from anger - justifiable as it might be - the message is diminished. Mark, I am listening to you, and I am blessed with your example, and I listened to the love in every word and action you have taken.

Adam, Max's brother, spent the evening at the Governor's with me. And yesterday, and he too was brought to me to teach me these very things. Again. and Again, as many times as it takes for me to learn them, His infinite patience with me, will put beautiful caring people into my life to guide me, if only in love I will listen.

Bless you all, let's hit them with all the love in our hearts - that cannot be defeated.

in love,

Scott Trautman - Proud Wisconsin Dairyman
December 26, 2009 | Registered CommenterScott Trautman
Gee David...guess I have to ask for a third time.

I respectfully request that you change your blog to reflect the true challenger of Lykke. It's not right to be falsely accused, especially when you are so critical in your accusation.

Not sure why you haven't done it already, except to thing that either a)you don't feel it important to actually be correct in your details....or b) your 'mistake' was a willful act.

Websites are just files that are read, and files can be changed so I reiterate again....please make the correction.
December 26, 2009 | Registered Commentermilk farmer
“Do any of you agree that there are two raw milks in America?”

Although the above question was not addressed to me personally by Mark I would like to give an answer and elaborate on it.

For those who are primarily concerned with the type and amount of bacteria in general terms the answer would be yes. However I would like to add that there are numerous conscientious milk producers producing an equally good quality product despite the fact that their milk is headed for pasteurization.

For me the issue of milk quality rests with management protocol and the overall health of the animal. Bacteria in milk are of little concern to me other then their potential negative effect on flavor. Healthy cows produce healthy milk and healthy bacteria.

I would rather purchase raw milk destined for pasteurization and a little fecal matter floating in it from someone using organic practices, i.e. without antibiotics, hormones and vaccines etc. then from someone producing milk for raw milk consumption using inorganic herd management practices.

As well switching to healthy foods including raw milk will not solve our health problems if individuals fail to become ever more vigilant about meddling or allowing a doctor to meddle with natural processes. This germaphobic attitude is a distraction from the true cause, namely toxic pharmaceutical and biopharmaceutical interventions. It’s not merely coincidental that people become seriously ill only after intervention and/or entering a hospital.

Ken Conrad
December 26, 2009 | Registered CommenterKen Conrad
Milk Farmer,
I'm not sure exactly what you mean with your request that "you change your blog to reflect the true challenger of Lykke..." If you are asking that I block Lykke from commenting on this blog, the answer is no. I have never blocked anyone from commenting on this blog, and I'm not about to start that practice now. I'd say it's happened more than once that commenters on this blog, I among them, have been "falsely accused." It unfortunately comes with the territory.

David
December 26, 2009 | Registered CommenterThe Complete Patient
In a tennis match when your opponent serves the ball,you have to be paying attention,get in position and return the ball to his side of the court.If you are distracted because you are appealing to the spectators or if you don't understand the rules and you catch the ball and hold onto it you will certainly lose the match.If you are going to hold your ground in a dispute over law you have to return the service and be ready when it is returned to you.the side that fails to put the ball in the other's court loses.Look at what DATCP is doing.They are serving farmers with a NOTICE of their understanding of the law and their INTENT to prevent a farmer from distributing milk or meat without their permission.When I get a notice from them,I want to discharge that notice.I can discharge their notice by accepting it conditionally."I received your notice,I would like to settle this matter,could you clarify your understanding of the law by showing me where in the written law,I need your permission to produce and distribute meat and milk.Put NOTICE clearly at the top of your letter.Take it to a notary and have them send it by way of registered mail.Now you have begun the conversation that will lead to a settlement of your differences with the DATCP.This is how the law is supposed to work.They might send another letter directing you to a statute or act. Statutes and acts are not written in english although they appear to be.To understand what they say you will have to know the legal meaning of the words.Once you think you understand the legal meaning of the whole statute or act,ask for clarification of any word or phrase that can have more than one meaning.Make sure all of your correspondance is witnessed by a notary and sent through registered mail.If DATCP fails to respond to your requests for clarification,they are in dishonor and if they take you to court,the judge is likely to see your honest attempts to settle differences in your favor.If they do not honor your attempts to reach an agreement outside of the courts,you can give them NOTICE of your understanding of the law and your intent to continue supplying people with raw milk and meat without a license.Now it is your turn to serve and they have the obligation to answer your NOTICE.Give them 14 to 21 days to reply through your notary so he can be your witness if they do not reply.Act in good faith and give them three chances to respond.If you receive no response you can give them notice that you are going to act under coulor of law on your claim that what you are doing is lawful.When they take you to court,you will take all of this correspondence and enter it into the proceedings as evidence that you have a lawful excuse for your actions.Wrap yourself in the law.Stay on the moral high ground.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6487575410193274157#
December 26, 2009 | Registered Commentermiguel
Scott and family,

The first thing that you need to do is connect to the Wisconsin Raw Milk movement ( and national movement ) with a strategic message and strategic plan.

Strategy means a process that everyone buys into to win!!

That means a long term strategy....not a short term process.

First things first....collect all the email addressed that you can. I have about 80 email addresses collected from the rally. I will send them to you on Monday.

You need to create a core leadership...just four or five people...they need to create a message and a plan to beat DATCP.

My advice.... do not fight with them. Pass new laws instead. If they are anything like CDFA in CA they will not even show up. How can they. They are not supposed to hold a political position. They are just supposed to enforce laws.

So change the laws. Fighting with DATCP is a total waste of time. They are connected to Big Ag CAFO industry and the FDA. Fighting them will make you old and weaken you and not make things better. Change the battle field and take the advantage and the high ground.

Read the ART of WAR.....this is war and you need to remember your karate lessons ( if you ever took any ). When met with a battle tank...it is not smart to challenge it with a bow and arrow.

You need to take your passion and leadership to the state capitol and bring 100 angry moms to bear on the issue. All you need is to focus them as a fighting and educating force. They will win every fight as they teach, teach, teach.I know from personal experience. Angry ( yet mostly behaved ) moms that feel threatened for the loss ( or loss of ) of their raw milk source with healthy kids that depend on raw milk for their treatment of Asthma and ear infections etc...Focuss these warriors on the target.

This is a strategy that is impossible for the DATCP to appose. They will look anti family and anti mom. It is a looser for them. The oposition will be a bunch of tie wearing pencil necks with a market control agenda.

You have three legs on your raw milk stool.

Personal rights to choice of foods. A constituional issue.

A farmers right to connect directly with consumers and sustain his income and family.

Food safety and nutritional issues...you will need to convince the Legislature that raw milk in WI is relatively safe and has superior nutritional value. ( Michigan Workinggroup did this for you ). Data from other states were raw milk is legal will show the safety record.

Then you must be very self controlled and do not let yourself be distracted by anything including DATCP.

You fight is not with them.....they are the Abrams tank.

Your fight is for change and they can not and will not change anything. Change happens with new laws. DATCP is not allowed to fight against you in the legislature....( at least in public watch out because they will try behind the scenes...).

This is one very effective strategy....there may be others. I have reviewed many and spent countless hours developing our strategy in CA.

Be aware of one potential mine field. If the governor is connected to DATCP and they meet behind the scenes..he may veto the bill even if it does pass.

This is your trick card and you will need to pass the bill and make some friends to assure that this does not happen.

Go get um!!!

Mark and the CA gang.
December 26, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark McAfee
david g. in this entry: Legal Education of Max Kane: He Loses Court Case, Is Threatened with Jail, But Could Get Re-Do; On Lykke

the "on lykke/" part attributes a comment to milk farmer. but it's my quote. so can you edit the post and change milk farmer to hugh betcha.

thx :)
December 26, 2009 | Registered Commenterhugh betcha
Scott,

The very exciting news for you is this....a bill is already in the legislature and you have a sponsor.

Now you must create an educational one pager...that the moms can use to educate and rally arround. Each person in your bill group must visit the offices of every one in the legislature and especially those in the committees that will vote on the bill.


You need to get everyone to attend the committee hearings. Do not assume that everyone knows when or where they are.

You must have pins made so all can wear them. You need to be a huge presence.

Rallies on the steps of the court house are all for show.....people jamming the halls and committee rooms of the legislature gets it done....

Focus and chart the passage to your goal....fight on your terms and do not be distracted to fight the Abrams tanks from DATCP only the way.

Ignore them as best you can. This is war....but make it your war not theirs.

In fact...try as best you can to reach out to DATCP to lesson the anger. You do not need them to fight against you in the legislature or the gov office behind the scenes.

Try and convince DATCP that big dairy will sell more pastuerized milk if consumers drink raw milk....Raw milk tends to eliminate pastuerization intolerance ( the new word for lactose intolerance ). Raw milk is good for pastuerized milk markets and brings people back to milk. Soy seems to be gaining market share,.....very bad for pastuerized milk.

Try and convince DATCP that raw milk is the best thing that ever happened to pastuerized milk markets. One can dream about DATCP becoming your allie....but you can try. Negative energy tends to have a reverse effect.

Concentrate like a lazer on the goal....change the stupid laws.

Mark
December 26, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark McAfee
David, you wrote:

I'd like to respond to Milk Farmer's challenge: "Lykke is of this sort, s/he probably works for the FDA and is here on assignment to disrupt. .....

and

All I can say, Milk Farmer, is that you haven't met many FDA or state public health officials.......



These are the sentences in which incorrect information exists.


Being accused is quite different from being falsely accused, especially when there is evidence, in plain black and white, that the accusation is not true.
When you quote somebody, when you call someone out by name, doesn't it behoove one to make certain that they are directing their comments accurately?

I wouldn't hear of blocking anyone from this blog....unless of course they were obviously disruptful... and really would have no standing to even consider requesting that. This is your show.

And while I indeed haven't met too many Fed or state officials, the good ones that I have, no longer work for the State, having been forced out, or quit in disgust.
December 26, 2009 | Registered Commentermilk farmer
i can see confusing us milk farmer, in that i'm tall and handsome and you're a little squat troll lookin guy. however that aside, i'm the one under the bridge ready to pounce on select posters here extractting the toll for spouting their dogma and propaganda.

i realize i can let weeks/months pass without popping up to earn my coin. i get busy up stream of the bridge tending fields and critters. while i make time to read this blog almost daily most of the constructive stuff i could add is already posted by someone. i don't like wasting bits and bytes saying "me too" or "i agree" so much.

i'm glad david doesn't ban me and i hope my additions add at least as much as they take away.

i know i take away way more then i could ever add. and for that i thank everyone here.
December 26, 2009 | Registered Commenterhugh betcha
Milk Farmer and Hugh Betcha,
My apologies for the mixup on the quote. (Misunderstood Milk Farmer's request in previous comment in this stream.) I've fixed the posting, "On Lykke," so it's now attributed to Hugh Betcha.

David
December 26, 2009 | Registered CommenterThe Complete Patient
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