This tidbit just a couple days ago from an investment adviser I follow, Richard Russell, who’s been writing a very popular newsletter for upwards of fifty years:
“Do your friends a favor. Tell them to ‘batten down the hatches’ because there’s a HARD RAIN coming. Tell them to get out of debt and sell anything they can sell (and don’t need) in order to get liquid. Tell them that Richard Russell says that by the end of this year they won’t recognize the country. They’ll retort, ‘How the dickens does Russell know — who told him?’ Tell them the stock market told him.”
When I read this, I was reminded of something Michael Ruppert said Sunday evening following the screening of his documentary, “Collapse” (based on his book, Confronting Collapse). In answer to a question from the audience about how people should handle credit card and bank debt (this was a special screening sponsored by Chelsea Green, publisher of the Ruppert book, which also published my book), Ruppert offered this intriguing suggestion, and I paraphrase: If it’s a relatively small amount, pay it off now, and get rid of it. If it’s a big debt, try to hold off paying too much since there’s a good chance the financial institution that holds it will fail in the rapidly approaching crash, and you won’t have to deal with it…and it could all be approaching by this summer.
And then I was thinking today when I read that the Wisconsin governor vetoed the raw milk bill after initially saying he was inclined to sign it, that Wisconsin dairy farmers should follow the same line of reasoning as Richard Russell and Michael Ruppert: try your best to stay in business and continue doing what you’re doing, especially if you’re selling raw milk on the black market. Ignore the governor and the Department of Agriculture, Trade, and Consumer Protection.
The same goes for those in the raw milk business in Massachusetts. If you run a buying club, keep doing it. If you own a dairy producing raw milk, keep supplying the buying clubs. Ignore the cease-and-desist orders and the absurdities of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health. I’m not saying this just because the MDAR has admitted to its collaborators at DPH that there is no legal validity to the orders.
I’m also not saying what I’m saying because these public officials are totally corrupt in trying to protect moneyed interests–both MA Ag Commissioner Scott Soares and WI Gov. Jim Doyle admitted upfront they’re trying to protect the dairy industry. They didn’t say why they want to protect an industry that abuses animals and produces a disgusting product, but I will (and Wayne Craig alluded to it in his comment on my previous post). The dairy industry is worth an estimated $140 billion annually, according to a Wisconsin study, so every 1% they lose to the raw dairies is worth $1.4 billion. Men have been known to kill for much less than that, so what’s a little grease to public officials to protect those kind of revenues? These guys are like dictators in two-bit banana republics who grab all the loot they can before they’re forced by rampaging mobs into exile.
No, there are two much more important reasons to ignore the creeps.
First off, Wisconsin and Massachusetts are going to rapidly lose the ability to employ leeches like Soares, Auerbach, and Rod Nilsestuen. Look around. State workers in California and elsewhere are already on “furlough” one day a week. Police and teachers are being laid off. And this is during relatively good times. The ag and public health agencies (among others) will be lucky to even have employees by the time the financial storm gets through with this country. (And while you’re at it, you might want to get rid of any state municipal bonds you might own.)
In fact, some of those DATCP and MDAR goons may be coming around wanting to buy food from raw dairies, or asking a buying club for a job. Then the buying clubs and raw dairies will have an interesting decision to make: do they sell milk to their previous tormenters? That’s a tough one.
Maybe you’ll want to hire them to work for their food, to load your truck, run some errands. Maybe not. They probably couldn’t handle real work.
And if the tough times that look like they’re rapidly approaching don’t get here that quickly, I’d still suggest ignoring the creeps. That has to do with my second reason: civil disobedience. There’s no more reason we should be denied healthy food and forced to consume undesirable (and likely dangerous) food than there was for Rosa Parks to be denied a seat in the front of the bus, and have to sit in the hot and undesirable back of the bus. It’s a violation of basic human rights, pure and simple.
As long as I’m discussing rights, just one other thing you might get a chuckle out of. A couple blog readers sent me a link to an interview of John Auerbach, the public health commissioner, published on the Massachusetts web site, he of the “You have no food rights” school. In the interview, he was asked, “What quote do you live by?” Auerbach’s answer:“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”(Martin Luther King Jr., Letter from Birmingham Jail, April 16, 1963) That man deserves the cynic-of-the-year award from someone.
No, there’s no reason to obey such laws. Ignore the creeps. Their edifice is rapidly crumbling. And besides, interesting financial times are rapidly approaching if you’re selling raw milk and other healthy foods into the desperate local food markets that will be proliferating.
Mark – does your "Share the Secret" offer apply to Canada, inperticular, Saskatchewan?
We’d sure love to have you!!
I’m glad you’re enjoying the blog. Your comment reminds me of a post I did some months ago (which I can’t immediately locate) in which I encouraged people to support dairy farmers and buying clubs by even purchasing more raw milk than they might actually need, to flood the market with demand. Lots of people seem to have taken the suggestion, which helps explain the pushback by officialdom. Given the renewed campaign to put suppliers of raw dairy products out of business, it’s incumbent on us to expand education efforts and show more support than ever.
David
They seem to forget that our ancesters had to fight to buy a glass of whiskey and the right of women to vote and the right of blacks to even drink at the same water fountain as I remember seeing in the south some 40 years ago and on and on. And now we are fighting just to buy a glass of fresh milk directly from a farmer.
One has to wonder why there is such a huge huge gap and difference in the mindset of the American people and the mindset of they that rule over us. There is a great disconnect here and someting is very very wrong!!!!
"Lastly, DATCP was telling the gov that raw milk sales are allowed under the present law as ‘incidental sales’, which is news to any of us being harassed by DATCP."
Raw milk has ALWAYS been allowed under the "incidental sales clause", I’ve been telling you (all) this for months, including you, Wayne Craig! The original 1957 statute requiring pasteurization was meant to create a monopoly for processors, for sure, but never meant to make raw milk sales "illegal", only to limit them to on-farm, grade A sales. READ WICFA’s webpage for further explanation.
"Incidental" has a legal definition, and that means "secondary" i.e. selling milk to your processor is your "primary" business, raw milk sales are your "incidental" or "secondary" business. What does this mean? This means that you can sell raw milk as long as you’re grade A (as grade A requires that you have a contract with a processor). The veto of the bill was a blessing for you. DATCP has no authority to regulate your raw milk sales, under the incidental sales clause. With the raw milk bill, you would have had DATCP in your hair and in your business.
Wayne, the cold fact of the matter is that you have received bad legal advice. I did, you did, all the WI raw milk producers did. Why? DATCP does not have the authority to interpret a statute (as evidenced in their comment to the governor). You did not need a farmshare, you could already legally sell raw milk. Why were you told you needed a farmshare? Why are you taking legal advice from a group that isn’t giving you all the facts and won’t stand up for the law as currently written? Seems they’re running us into a cul-de-sac. Any group that does this is doing it intentionally.
Wayne, you once asked me what I wanted in a raw milk bill. Well, here it is, I want what Minnesota has. They amended their state constitution. Why can’t we have this, too? Why are we so quick to settle?
Sec. 7. NO LICENSE REQUIRED TO PEDDLE. Any person may sell or peddle the products of the farm or garden occupied and cultivated by him without obtaining a license therefor.
http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/cco/rules/mncon/Article13.htm
Great post. It’s like killing someone with a thousand small cuts. Every little thing that impedes and makes the governmental process harder will eventually stop them.
Looking at the video of Max Kane and the lawyer representing the state says it all. He puts his hands over his eyes. He probably thought that this was a slam dunk putting Max in jail, throwing away the key and letting Max’s family starve.
Also the two wins In NY for Meadowsweet farm slow things down in NY.
Each little protest, civil disobedience and refusal to go along will stop this harassment.
Just remember that anything that we can do no matter how seemingly small will lead to certain victory.
You can also ask Michael Schmidt to come educate you….he will rock your world. Just give him a list of issues and he will go off on educating you. He knows his raw milk stuff.
I generally focus on CA and my dearly beloved 35,000,000 potential cosnumers. A couple of years ago I did four STS presentations in western Canada. I was in Edmonton, Calgary and then in BC in two locations. I even got to go on to BC live radio and spar with a government representative. She conceded that raw milk is just fine when the system is set up for it….but that Canada is not prepared or set up for it. I was prepared to have a real fight on my hands…but she agreed with what California is doing. It left me really thinking about what is driving this debate.
It is absolutely about the last 100 years consolidation of processing, shelf life and market control. Especially in Canada. This is not about safety. Safety is the surrogate excuse used as the whipping boy. We know how to make safe raw milk it just does not include processors or national brands.
Everyone should know that there are "Two Raw Milks" and each has there own set of rules and responsibilities. I have yet to hear a public person confirm this concept….even though here in CA there are very specific regulations that establish the standards to do legal raw milk. Raw Milk for Human Consumption is defined by law….yet it is never mentioned by the officialdom.
This fight will be won by farmers feeding consumers and teaching consumers….this is a grass roots battle. It will not be won in the legislatures until the grass roots are strong enough and potent enough to gather and fight with purpose.
THIS IS A GRASS ROOTS FIGHT….building, feeding and educating are the keys.
That is why I spend so much time educating and building and not fighting in CA. I am actually a very compliant and nice guy nowadays with my regulators. All the while the mother lions are feeding their cubs and the "pride" is getting healthy and huge.
Some day soon…even the regulators will join the " pride " because so many of them will know a healthy and very happy raw milk drinker.
And Weston A Price said on his death bed…..You Teach… You Teach… You Teach…..
Golden and cherished advice….take it.
Tonight I do a STS for the Claremont ( LA Area ) La Leche Group….I do several of this per week. Our sales have grown 15% since January 1st 2010 ( that is an annual growth of 45% …wow!! ). Show me one other business that is growing in this economy. We have also hired 5 people in the first quarter. All of this in connected cooperation with mother nature. I am constantly aware of growth verses 100% compliance with my pact with mother nature and the ecosystems that assure very low risk and a high confidence level for safety.
We are economic stimulous and health care all rolled into one. Good for the farmer, the cow, the soils, the earth, the air, the consumer, the children,the true economy, other venders, the immune system….good for our government and even the regulators…it gives them a job!
This can happen for everyone in America.
Start by ignorring the Creeps and:
Teaching Teaching Teaching then Feeding Feeding Feeding!!!
Mark
http://www.theatlantic.com/food/archive/2010/05/pasteurization-without-representation/56533/
you’re becoming a radical!
as the song goes, "watch what you say or they’ll be callling you a radical, liberal, fanatical, criminal." or maybe they’ll put you on the no-fly list as they did with bubba. 🙂
Great song – Supertramp from Breakfast in America, 1984. Another good one from the era that describes conflict and divide: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/rush/thetrees.html
Sadly, I am getting increasingly pessimistic about the possibility of compromise.
This isn’t about you and I trying to share a bottle of milk with too little change for us each to buy a bottlle of our own.
Compromise – in the case of one’s right / access to civil liberties – translates to limitations imposed by those in power. Just ask Black America.
If you want compromise, read the label and make your own decision for yourself and let other grown adults do the same.
Lykke doesn’t understand that we drive the bus and everyone can get on and sit where they want.
This means raw milk and raw milk products for all especially the children. Lykke has no right to tell me what to eat and who to feed it to.
Lykke, have you figured out a way to get this poison out of the food supply?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/us/31meat.html
I know you think it’s OK to feed this to innocent children since you have no plan to ban it and have never spoken out against it.
What a hypocrite.
REALLY? So I guess you, Lykke, support a ban on sushi, too? Are you going to go into homes and arrest people who prefer to cook their steak rare and feed them to their children? Both foods are linked with pathogens, yet, there is no law stating that you cannot eat sushi or rare meat. Where does the infringement on personal liberties end?
There is a way to produce safe raw milk, Lykke. If you are really interested in safety in raw milk, you can just ask Mark McAfee how it is done. I am sure he could give you excruciating detail of the ins and outs of his food safety plan if you were really interested.
Unfortunately, your profession is not interested in promoting safety in raw milk. If anything, you want raw milk to make people sick, so you can continue with your fear-mongering.
This is not a battle you can win, Lykke. The more you warn about the dangers of raw milk, the more consumers become interested in it. Do you really think you can convince millions of Americans that a food they have been consuming, in some cases for decades, is inherently dangerous and should not be consumed?
I think a better approach would be for you to admit that raw milk can be very safe if produced in the right fashion, and go about figuring out the conditions necessary for the safe production of raw milk. I would be living in a fantasy world, however, if I let myself believe this is really what you (and others of your ilk) were going to do.
No, the fear-mongering and corporate milk demagogy will only continue. We are going to ignore you here in WI. I guess we will have to develop food safety plans on our own, because clearly people like you are not interested in it.
Lykke is not here to become educated. Lykke is here to co-op the conversation and distract from the topics at hand.
At best, Lykke is a troll, a person who goes on blogs to co-op the conversation; at worst, he/she/it is a paid disinfo agent, a government employee who does the same thing (yes, a taxpayer-funded troll).
I’ve noticed that many of the old regular commenters are gone. Perhaps because they’re sick of hearing Lykke every single day on every single article?
‘Cause let’s face it, if he/she/it were just a common schmoe who’s here to enlightened the masses, he/she/it would have gotten bored/frustrated long ago and gone away.
But he/she/it has not. Paid disinfo agent is my guess. A government employee on taxpayer time.
Stop feeding the troll. Stop having conversations with this person. LYKKE IS CO-OPING THE CONVERSATION!!! Why are we spending our time trying to convince this idiot that our viewpoint is valid?
Thanks for the reality check.
Both Kummer and Auerbach cite that raw milk has a notably high bacteria count and both seem to imply that it differs from pasteurized milk in that way and that’s why it’s a public health risk:
Kummer: All milk is subject to deterioration and rapid bacterial growth the higher the temperature, but with raw milk the deterioration is rapid and dangerous, because of its much higher bacterial count before pasteurization. (May 13th Atlantic)
Auerbach: Raw milk by its nature contains a great deal of bacteria, which quickly multiply if the milk is held or transported at an improper temperature. (May 7th letter to MDAR)
I particularly take issue with the head of MDPH issuing this statement about the nature of raw milk to MDAR. Just bad science and a bad understanding of the current regs.
In MA the standards for retail raw milk are a standard bacterial plate count of 20,000 cfu/ml and a coliform count not to exceed 10 per ml.
The PMO Grade A standards for pasteurized milk are a standard bacterial plate count of 20,000 cfu/ml and a coliform count not to exceed 10 per ml.
First, they are constant reminders of the "boot heel to the throat" attitude of regulators. They remind us to never, ever this country’s founders’ admonition against oppressive government.
Second, they remind us to stay focused on what will win this war…an emphasis on constitutional limits on government, and the right to make our own nutritional choices (FDA and USDA disagreement be damned).
lykke and the garbage she hangs with demonstrate daily that its government control, not food safety, that they seek. They serve a good purpose here in doing that. Its a good thing too…otherwise they would be nothing but total wastes of oxygen, and a strong argument for George Bernard Shaw’s shavian eugenics.
Bob BubbaBozo Hayles
http://www.JuicyMaters.com
http://www.organicpastures.com/fda_move_to_dismiss.html
We need to reset our mindset. The FDA and every DHS person down the food chain has become so inbred that they have lost all touch with the people and nutrition and any basis in science. They even ignore their own researchers.
Last evening a presented another Share the Secret…this time in Claremont CA. It was well attended by a group that called themselves the Holistic Moms Club. It was wonderful. Among many things…The dialogue was centered arround The Two Raw Milks in America. One for people and one for the pasteurizer….CAFO verses Natural ecosystems and Pastures.
I say this all the time….but the "two kinds of rawmilk" are completely ignorred by the establishment even though "it is the law in CA". It is a very uncomfortable reality and they wish it would go away.
This lack of truly representing the law and the people and instead missrepresenting the law and not representing the people is criminal. We the people must vote them out and dollar vote them out.
I am thinking about starting a national petition to send to Sebelius and Michele Obama that quotes the FDA doctrine so sterily stated in the Dissmissal Documents on the recent CFR 1240.61 legal battle. ( See above)
Our government needs to know that we know what they are doing. They need to know that their policies are anti-health, anti-immune system, anti-choice and anti-whole food. The public "good for you" statements being made by Michele Obama are in complete conflict with actually policy being defended by the FDA.
My letter to Sebelius and Michele is going out today. A copy of the FDA legal documents that say…."Americans do not have a right to health"… Americans do not have a right to freedom to feed their families any particular food and that lastly that "Americans do not have a right to contract" will be enclosed.
President Obama will not get any lovin until this gets fixed if he is conscious at all and Michele even reads the letter and the FDA documents.
At least I know I tried.
Gary…..to not be "radical" would mean that you are unconscious and passive and wellcome immune depression in our children. I will take the radical label anyday.
Mark
My statement is only partially tongue-in-cheek, since there is no acceptable end point to the possible actions precipitated by the very immature notion that more bacteria is worse and less is better. (Mix that with As and Ks equally immature idea that agency bureaucrats have the right to dictate to free men how much risk they are allowed to take, and you have a very scary mess indeed.)
Seeing this dilemma in its full glory, and realizing just how far down a very slippery slope we have already fallen (and then imagining what the bottom might look like!) can make a radical out of the most conservative of us.
in ohio, our raw milk farmers routinely test for all sorts of pathogens, which routinely come up negative, and they are routinely way below 20,000 for bacteria and way below 100,000 for somatic cell count. in fact, bacteria counts around 2k to 3k are common, and somatic cell counts below 50k are also common.
Do you think tptb will jump on the band wagon to ban all sprouts?
"The other side might say with equal passion: there is no compromise to having a food with known hazards and ongoing outbreaks in commerce. Especially when the industry denies and downplays the risks with flippant disregard of warning labels by intense marketing to children wiho have no choice. "
LMAO, Does this mean lunch meats will finally be banned? The "industry" sure as heck shows a blatant disregard for safety. They do down play and deny risks and promote to children who have no choice….. What BS
Wisconsin Dairy Farmer Laurie Kyle, who wrote a letter to Governor Doyle urging a veto of the raw milk bill, because her son got sick from drinking their own raw milk, feeds her cows cookies and pasteries.
She is supposedly a nutritionist.
Clearly you are speaking of factory food and the willfully uninformed.
There is an obvious compromise here. You don’t force me to drink cooked milk from CAFOs and I won’t force you to drink healthy fresh milk from responsible farmers.
I don’t get why you waste your time at this blog. Here you have some of the most brilliant thinkers on farming and nutrition, but instead of learning anything, you keep spouting propaganda from whatever agency or corporation you work for. By the way, it’s curious that you’re not permitted to speak for them, yet you troll this blog on their dime. I really hope it’s not my tax dollars…please say you’re from a corp and not an agency.
Mark, you are an inspiration. Please keep the engines fired up. It’s working!
Miguel, I adore your posts. Honestly, you are my bacteria guru, my best teacher, and you should have your own teaching blog. Well, never mind – quite effective here…thanks very very much!
Sylvia – God bless you for hammering health reality. Please keep it up. Every day you document the hypocrisy of regulators with science and statistics. Repetition is key to learning. You are clear and constant, and your message is beautiful, and healing. You teach.
Lola – sorry but I can’t help welcoming regulators to this blog. Progress has been slow, dialogue has been frustrating, but the issues have been clarified – much thanks to Mr. Gumpert! And Lykke.
We know what they ignore, and that helps us. Lykke, especially. I read those posts with curious interest, because I need to understand what the regulators are thinking.
To me it seems they want one size fits all. Like all their kids need the same kind of discipline? Like all cows need the same kind of diet? They don’t want room for individual attention; milk is milk. When actually, it really varies dramatically from one farm to another; one cow to another. One cow may need grain, another gets mastitis from grain. Just like us. We need farmers that understand their animals, and pay attention. That’s animal husbandry, and the FDA can’t dictate that. Only farmers can do that. Their acts are sacred, their wisdom is critical.
Know your source. People who love life get this.All my kids are unique, and all my animals are unique. I am the best mom when I listen well – or find a better expert.
– Blair
Do you honestly believe that Lykke has learned anything from reading this blog? Do you honestly believe that he/she/it has any real farming experience? Funny, those farm kids go to college, major in agriculture, and become mouthpieces for the establishment, because it pays better than having to work for a living like I do or their parent’s did.
I don’t believe that Lykke is here on his/her/it’s own volition. I believe that my tax dollars, or yours, are paying this person’s salary to come here and "discuss" these issues. Money is the motivation for returning, not curiosity, not wanting to learn from us, but for some reason we’ve deluded ourselves into believing we can teach him/her/it.
Notice that there has been a few times that Lykke has been called a government troll, and he/she/it doesn’t reply. He/she/it acquiesces by his/her/it’s silence. Trying to convince this person of your position is fruitless as long as Lykke is receiving a paycheck to disagree with you. Hey, for all you know, Lykke may be a big raw milk fan, but the money and his job tells him he’s not. Mmmm…
Get rid of the regulators all together. They are UNCONSTITUTIONAL and don’t belong in a free society. You’re either free or your not. It is that black and white. Spend your time getting rid of the regulators once and for all and you can stop having this ad nauseum discussion with Lykke and her ilk.
And, Blair, as much as you like to discuss the "issues" with Lykke, I don’t. I’m sick of this person co-oping the conversation. Do you realize that half the comments on this article are dedicated to Lykke, and NOT David’s article? He steers the conversation away from real issues and toward his own. Get your own blog, Lykke! But I bet you won’t, because you’d have to do that on your own dime!
we all need to learn what "debt saturation" means. we may all be mad about the bank bailouts and we need to understand what is happening in the euro union.
what’s happening in the world since 2008 is that debt has surpassed it’s ability to be repaid. there is more debt then can even be serviced with the interest payments. governments worldwide do not understand this as they have been captured by corporate interests and are solely focused on not letting the too big to fail, fail.
tax collections still are falling at ~8% y/y, housing prices are still falling, unemployment is still rising and set to rise even more as state/local levels struggle with deficits.
meanwhile everyone is borrowing more and increasing debt. back in m 1971 a dollar in debt added about 90 cents to economic productivy (a strong ratio for sure and well worth taking on the debt) but since debt saturation hit a dollar in debt now takes 30 cents more (or $1.30 total) away from economic productivity. why? servicing old debt. debt saturation has been reached and more debt simply makes the problem worse.
what this means is that an economy and society that is built on a foundation of continual growth can no longer grow and in fact is shrinking. this is the end game for the economy and society as it has been known since 1913 when the FED was created.
deflation is upon us and none of our systems can function in a shrinking economy. not only can they not function they will collapse almost completely.
this year? next year? 3 or 5 years from now? no one can know when but as long as global gov’ts continue on a path of absorbing private debt onto the public books complete collapse is guaranteed.
the too big to fail banks kept and continue to keep leverage at 30-60% when they failed in 08 they didn’t just fail they failed 30-60 times over. for each dollar they had they stood to lose 30-60 dollars
but always remember it was governments and regulations and subsidies that allowed the problem to get so out of control.
can it be fixed? will you fore-go your social security? medicare? unemployment? food stamps? and all the rest of the free government handouts? ask the greeks, spanish, italians… ask the americans….
all pension funds globally require 8% annual growth just to stay even. all gov’t spending is based on 4-5% economic growth just to stay even.
growth is gone. gov’ts will be forced to take on more debt to tread water. but each dollar in new debt shrinks the economy by about .30 cents due to debt saturation. see the problem?
the whole world is issuing massive amounts of debt who’s buying that debt to fund gov’ts? fewer and fewer private savings are willing to hold that debt. in fact quantitive easing (the us and euro’s answer to the debt problem) is simply a phrase meaning printing money.
gov’ts are printing more and more money daily once they pass a certain point we will enter a stage of deflationary inflation and maybe hyper inflation and see the dollar lose virtually all of it’s "value" pension funds will be wiped out. state and local gov’ts will basically cease to exist (as we know them today anyway) and the federal gov’t will either grow despotic (price controls, command economy etc…) or also collapse. the outcome depends on what we the citizens of this failed system/country do as it unfolds. it is unfolding now.
as of yet most americans do not understand what is happening. be sure though that they will and likely as in all of human nature they will all "get it" at about the same time. and they will all move quickly to protect theirs and their own. the big problem then will be that there is not enough of anything to go around.
local farms, milk, eggs, beef, vegatables and whatever we can raise will be worth their weight in gold and like david ponders who of us is going to want to help those who directly hindered our ability to provide these things to those who wanted them (supported us) before tshtf.
not I. i’m one who believes we all need to sleep in the bed we made.
Since the essence of David’s post after the veto relates to anger at those "creeps" who opposed it, Lykke tried to share the "creep" point of view. One thing I have learned here, you don’t understand your enemies well, which gives them more power. On the WI bill, I personally never did make up my mind about it…the bill came close to the Marler 6 points and the Bemis 11 GTs that I generally support, but the bill also seemed rushed and in need of more thought; maybe that working group can improve and pass it next year. If that working group supported a raw milk bill, it would be near certainty the guv would sign it. I don’t want Scott Trautman to have no livelihood, or Max Kane to go to jail. My exploration on this blog was to look at where compromise might be possible, and where it would be futile.
Appears it is all futile. It is actually kind of painful reading some of these posts. In the year or so I’ve spent on this blog, there’s one other thing I’ve noticed. Your opposition has become much more organized. The big dairy/public health/pediatrician tandem against the WI bill was the first time I recall seeing such an organized and public (not behind closed doors) opposition. That didn’t happen in CT, CA, IA, or GA with their bills in the last few years. As the divide keeps gets deeper – or should I say, never gets closer to common ground since its been pretty darn deep for a long time – the ones who will suffer the most are the farmers.
Ciao.
"which are the main reason your product isn’t legal"
Raw milk is legal to produce, consume and buy everywhere.
‘Your opposition has become much more organized.’
Perhaps. It seems that they are more desperate. They cannot stop raw milk. In fact it is more popular and accepted every day despite their opposition
You might want to face reality, that Government IS your threat to liberty and individual freedom.
Courage ,courage ,courage is the only thing that is left to counter what we are facing in the future.
There is no excuse in the future that we did not know.
We will have the power, we have the courage and we have what it takes if we truly understand Governments role in our countries.