I was at a NH restaurant this past weekend when I heard the words in the heading above. This was an unusual restaurant, as you might expect–one operated by a farm family, way out in the country, within sight of the Connecticut River, just across from Vermont.
It looks like a restaurant from the inside, seating 35 or 40 people, except that it’s just steps from both a barn and a farmhouse, and overlooking rolling pastures, where a herd of rare Devon cows graze. Most of its food comes from the premises, or from other farms within a few miles.
As fresh and tasty as the food was, I was taken with how natural those words sounded, when they occurred in real life. Pasteurized or raw milk? Grass-fed meat or grain-fed meat? Sugar or honey? The choices are endless, limited mainly by the demands of the marketplace. Someday in the not-too-distant future they may include : “Irradiated or non-irradiated spinach, cloned beef or non-cloned beef…”
Just listening in on a few of the conversations between the farm serving and cooking staff and restaurant patrons, the market at Bunten Farmhouse Kitchen is very interested in not only knowing where their food comes from, but in having a significant part of that food come from local sources.
Bruce Balch, the owner, went from table to table, telling people how the roasted pork (which was tender and succulent) came from a farm down the road, the fiddleheads (a spring veggie) from a few area farms, and the milk from his herd of 70 Devon cows, “the largest herd of Devons in the country,” he said proudly.
Because his farm is also a milk plant, he’s able to produce both pasteurized and raw milk, and sell it from the farm. I neglected to ask him which type of milk is most popular, but I have to presume the demand for the raw milk is fairly recent, since it’s not listed on older menus posted on the web site.
Beyond the choice over milk, that experience at the Bunten Farmhouse made me realize how much I appreciate it when there’s a relaxed attitude toward food and diet–or, to put it another way, how much I’ve come to resent dogma about nutrition and diet. The most obnoxious example, of course, is the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s dogma that raw milk is highly dangerous, and besides, there’s no nutritional difference between raw and pasteurized milk. But it extends ever more widely in our culture.
Here are two recent examples:
1. Dr. Mark Hyman’s anti-dairy rant. I heard him speak a few years ago, when his book, “Ultrametabolism”, came out, and I thought he made a lot of sense with his concerns about carbs and sugar. Now, in a new article on Huffingon Post, he lambastes all forms of dairy, arguing it doesn’t provide much calcium, and besides, it aggravates various chronic conditions like Crohn’s and asthma. At one point he notes, “…many have begun to consider raw milk an alternative. But that isn’t really a healthy form of dairy either …” He concludes: “Try giving up all dairy. That means eliminate milk, cheese, yogurt, and ice cream for two weeks and see if you feel better. You should notice improvements with your sinuses, post-nasal drip, headaches, irritable bowel syndrome, energy, and weight. Then start eating dairy again and see how you feel. If you feel worse, you should try to give it up for life.”
2. On the other side, the Weston A. Price Foundation in its recently published Winter issue of Wise Traditions, presents gobs of research designed to suggest that plant-based diets are potentially dangerous. One article concludes: “…plants bite back! Since they do, it’s a good idea to treat them with respect. Fruits and vegetables add interest, color and taste to our diet, but don’t overconsume.”
Certainly part of what’s going on here is that giving people a rigid approach to diet helps sell books, or magazines, or whatever. And maybe that’s part of what’s behind the growing inclination of the FDA, in particular, to tell us what not to eat–people are afraid, and the government is perfectly equipped to feed their fears.
As I’ve said a number of times, I not only believe we have the right to eat whatever foods we want, but that people’s dietary and nutritional needs vary widely. Trying to dictate a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work, no matter who is doing the dictating.
I’m inclined to go with what Canadian raw dairy farmer Michael Schmidt said at the Raw Milk Symposium in March: “Let them eat their fast foods and kill themselves. That’s their choice.”
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Much as I thanked the FDA for articulating the nature of the struggle over food rights, I should also add a note of thanks to the smart guys and gals in the Massachusetts Department of Agricultural Resources for clarifying the hypocrisy behind the move to restrict raw milk access.
I was discussing the situation over the weekend with Winton Pitcoff, the raw milk expert at the Massachusetts chapter of the Northeast Organic Farming Association, expressing amazement that a state with a minuscule dairy industry and no illnesses since 1999 would take this matter on. He corrected me: “No illnesses of any kind since Massachusetts DAR took over responsibility for regulating raw milk, in 1993.” The illnesses attributed to raw milk in 1999 occurred when some boy scouts visited a conventional dairy farm and drank unpasteurized milk destined for pasteurization–much different than if they had consumed milk destined for the raw-milk market. Those shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as statistics about consumers of raw milk from MDAR-licensed dairies, Winton correctly points out.
So the MA DAR will no doubt talk a lot about safety at the hearing in Boston next Monday over its proposed regulation to ban buying clubs and restrict raw milk access to those who pick it up at permitted dairies. But there is no safety “problem” in Massachusetts, never has been. In any event, whenever there is a safety problem anywhere, it’s over an issue at the farm, not in transport of milk. Of course, the real point here is that this is about private contract rights. Raw milk drinkers who can’t make it to the farm pay individuals who run buying clubs to pick up their milk–a private contractual arrangement. It’s none of MDAR’s business, or of the Big Dairy reps trying to influence MDAR to make this a national issue.
The issues couldn’t be clearer. If you live in Massachusetts, let your legislators know that their pencil pushers are screwing up, big time, making a mountain out of…nothing. And attend the hearing next Monday, May 10, at 10 am at 100 Cambridge St, Conference Room A, 2nd Floor in Boston. Regardless of where you live, you can email the Massachusetts Commissioner of DAR, Scott Soares, scott.soares@state.ma.us.
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There’s more on the Massachusetts situation in an article I wrote for Huffington Post.
Just because there is no recent record of anyone becoming sick from raw milk doesn’t mean it isn’t a risk. There are plenty of instances in other states – it doesn’t mean MA should ignore it because there have been none within its borders.
Improper transport of raw milk WILL increase the risks. With the increases in buying clubs, this risk is increasing and it makes sense for officials to respond proactively.
I think DAR is being particularly clumsy in its response. There are all types of buying clubs and the proposed regulations do nothing to say under what conditions they will allow cooperative buying, if at all.
I think cooperative buying (buying clubs) could be allowed. Raw milk officianados wold do better to try to figure out a way to address concerns with transport rather than creating some conspiracy theory around "big dairy". DAR would do well to come out with some clear rules that allow buying clubs and which control risks – improper transport namely.
And I pose this question to ANYONE who opposes Raw Milk consumption/sales because of health concerns…..
Just how many farmers (raw milk or otherwise) do you think will stay in business if they make their customers sick?
As Alice suggests, it was MDAR commissioner, Scott Soares, who volunteered he had had contacts with conventional dairy producers, and then refused to provide any details. That’s not appropriate if it goes on while new regs are under consideration.
I guess my question to you is this: what evidence exists of improper transport of milk? No one, including MDAR, is making that accusation, so far as I know. MDAR has indicated concern about safety and risk, but not provided any evidence to back up its concerns. You mention illnesses in other states, but I’m not aware of any illnesses associated with raw milk being blamed on improper transport.
And Lykke,
Which raw milk web sites "tell consumers everything is fine"? The most popular one, from the Weston A. Price Foundation, warns consumers raw milk can be "contaminated, in situations conducive to filth and disease. Know your farmer!" (http://www.realmilk.com)
David
I don’t think the DARs scope should go beyond the farm and into buying clubs. Where does it end? Should I install an Ethernet connection on my refrigerator so DAR can monitor the temperature? Would you want them to also regulate our ability to allow our neighbors to pick up other items for us at the grocery store, like say, raw chicken?
One does not need evidence of mistransport to suggest a need that there needs to be some guidance or ovesite of an activity.
I would suggest replacing the hyperbole and conspiracy theories with some suggestions on how to feasibly ensure that buying clubs are transporting appropriately. Now if you are jut picking up for a neighbor, this should clearly be exempt from oversite. However we all know that there are numerous buying clubs in which individuals pick up milk for large numbers of people, many of whom they don’t even know personally.
There was NO evidence of "big dairy" involvement in the previous post.
Where is your evidence that milk is a high risk food, especially fresh grassfed milk?
Why would Scott Soares not open a docket after talking to big dairy like he is supposed to do?
Why did he violate the law? Is he incompetent or is he covering something up?
Where is your evidence that the milk is being transported improperly by buying clubs?
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Food_safety_storage?open
I can not answer for Soares and am not inclined to defend him. He seems fairly incompetent in replying to his own actions.
I did not saying buying clubs are transporting improperly. Sound public health policy dictates proactive measures to prevent illness. Would you prefer to wait until someone gets sick and then respond.
Neela speaks too much legaleeeeese for just any anti-raw milk-ette off the street… I wonder who employs you, Neela?? Must be MDAR since we never heard from you before David started writing about this issue.
What is your definition of improper storage and how would this result in raw milks so called "propensity to harbour pathogens"?
Raw milk is in a class of its own with no similarities to shellfish and meat. To categorizing it as such is a reflection of your inability to comprehend and or acknowledge the complex nature of the product.
Ken Conrad
Or perhaps Soares is covering up his ties to big ag and got caught in a lie. I think an investigation is in order here.
Who are you to dictate "sound" public health policy? What is sound public health policy? What is your basis and what makes you an expert? If there have been no sicknesses why bother? If the clubs are transporting properly, there is no need for regulation.
Why don’t you get off your raw milk kick and try to do something that really makes a difference::
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/us/31meat.html?scp=1&sq=ammonia%20meat&st=Search
That means that the greatest risk to America is not eating high risk foods as often as possible.
Neela….who ever you are. You are obviously not understanding what makes up the immune system or how it works. We need bacteria badly in our diets or we will become immune depressed and die. The last people that died from milk died from pasteurized milk not raw milk. ( Whittier Farms 2007 Three deaths )
Mark
Please show me evidence of ANY food borne illness related to raw milk in the last 10 years? Oh, you can’t? That’s because there aren’t any — not because raw milk advocates are participating in cover-up. Contrast that with those who have been sickened by pasturized milk:
http://www.realmilk.com/foodborne.html
I have been consuming raw milk through a herd share for the last 5 years. Neither my family, friends, other shareholders nor myself has ever been sicked by it. We all take turns schlepping to the farm to pick it up and distribute it, and in the summer, it’s hotter than Hadies here. So, in effect, we have a delivery/buying group model here in VA, and it’s working just fine without government regulation, thank-you-very-much. If my friends who transport the milk aren’t doing it safely, then it’s my job to set them straight — NOT GOVT.
I want to know what business it is of any government, state or federal, as to what I eat or drink. If I choose to eat raw, unprocessed food, and have a friend pick it up and I assume the risks (it is my right CHOOSE what food I buy), then what right does government have to regulate me? It’s none of their f’ing business!!!!!
Take for instance, the FDA — they do not have my best interest and health in mind with the regulations that are already on the books. According to them, I can eat/drink as much high fructose corn syrup, ding dongs, ho-ho’s, Doritos and all the other corn-derived SHIT that I can stuff in my shopping bag, but if I drink raw milk, I’m going to die from food borne illness. It is for these reasons that I do not trust them, or believe anything they say about what is healthy or not. I know what is best for my family and me, and I will feed us accordingly. The FDA be damned.
That website makes the statement about outbreaks in a shallow attempt to appear credible and reasonable. Then it goes on to deny every outbreak (including those with documented filth). Can you give a single non-Mexican style cheese outbreak they don’t deny?
I hear you on the rehashing, but new people have joined the discussion. Welcome to our Merry-go-round, new folks.
Back on subject….please explain and excuse the three milk deaths in MA that were caused by Pasteurized milk at Whittier Farms in 2007.
Right back at ya…..
The fight is about the right for Americans to build our own immune systems. The fight is about whether drugs are the cure for anything whether they are immune destructive…this is about the DOLLAR VOTE removal of a protected get rich and kill people scheme pushed by the FDA and drug companies.
We in the raw milk and whole food community get it….we get what it takes to develop and sustain a strong pathogen proof immune system.
We get it that you do not get it….. But what we do not get is why you should care about what we freely choose to do?
Why do you hate freedom so very much????
( Joel Salatin quote )
Mark
With rare exception, people don’t hate freedom…they fear it.
People like lykke, cp, et al don’t really hate frdoms, they are simply terrified to be personally responsible for4 anything, themselves included, and since they know how silly they would look being fearful all by themselves, needing a nanny state to keep them in emotional equilibrium, they need to surround themselves with others being protected by the nanny state in ordr to validate themselves.
They are really a sad little fearful group, more to be pitied than reviled…but I do wish they would get the hell out of my food basket.
BH
http://www.JuicyMaters.com
If anything, as raw milk sits out at warm temperatures, it become MORE safe. Lykke and I already had this conversation on a previous thread, but I will re-hash the science of it.
The natural lactic acid producing bacteria in raw milk consume sugars (lactose) and convert them into lactic acid. This pH drop in the milk actually tends to cause pathogenic organisms to expire, and definetly inhibits their reproduction. Eventually, given time, even the lactic acid bacteria will kill themselves from the acidity they have created. This principle is the reason that raw milk cheese is supposed to be aged 60 days. It is also the reason that aged cheese are more flavorful, because the lactic bacteria in the cheese die, relasing enzymes which breakdown the milk protiens into peptides and ammino acids.
These lactic acid producing bacteria, already naturally present in raw milk, are dormant at refrigerator temperatures. However, pyscrotrophic bacteria (bacteria able to reproduce at refregerator temps) such as Listeria Monocytogenes, and E. Coli 0157:H7 are able to reproduce at refrigerator temps. Another class of pyscrotrophic bacteria that are non-pathogenic, are spoilage bacteria such as pseudomonas floresences, which is able to degrade the milk casien directly into ammonia (skipping the peptides and amino acids) — actually RAISING the pH of the milk to near neutral 7 (fresh milk has a pH of about 6.7, slightly acidic) making it even more hopsitable to pathogens such as listeria.
So if anything, raw milk becomes MORE safe as it sits at warm temperatures, because of the action of lactic-acid producing bacteria. IF there were a pathogen in the milk, it would quickly be outcompeted and excluded by the more aggressive lactic acid producing bacteria at warm temperatures. However, if there is no pathogen in the milk, one will not suddenly appear out of nowhere simply because it is held at a warm temperature. On the other hand, if listeria was present and the milk was held at cold temperatures, the listeria would actually have a competative edge over the good bacteria, because of the temperature.
In other words — Your concerns about the temperature the milk is held at are totally bunk. In France, raw milk for traditional protected raw milk cheeses (i.e. Comte, Camembert de Normandie, Brie de Meaux, etc…) is FORBIDDEN to be held at temperatures below 50F, because of the reasons that I describe above.
The deaths from listeria due to drinking contaminated pasteurized milk is tragic.
Listed below are high risk foods that have been involved in multiple outbreaks; this is why they are considered high risk.
What percent of Americans:
eat hamburgers, 90%?
eat lettuce, 80% ?
eat tomatoes, 80%?
eat cantaloupes, 70%?
eat lunch meats, 90% ?
I’m guessing at that percentages, but my point is that a high percentage of Americans consume these products. Statistically there are going to be more illnesses and deaths. It is appalling that our food supply is unsafe. Even though pasteurized milk is not considered a high risk food, a very high percent of the population consume this food product 80%? Unfortunately, mistakes are bound to happen.
What percent of Americans drink raw milk 1-3%, yet the outbreaks are not proportional to the number of people consuming this product. Thank God there have been no deaths. What would the outbreak rate be if 80% of the population drank raw milk? What would the death rate be?
Mark, I continue to be amazed at your ability to spin the truth. I listened to your interview with Joe Mercola. So now raw milk illnesses are caused by desperate, immune depressed individuals begging a farmer to give them raw milk that is intended for pasteurization? I noticed your lack of discussion about the practice of outsourcing and its link to outbreaks.
Fact:
Chris Martin and Lauren Herzog drank raw milk from a regulated dairy and the milk was sold retail (E.coli 0157:H7)
Mari Tardiff drank raw milk from an unlicensed cow share program (the type that WAPF promotes) and they tested tested milk (Campylobacter)
Kalee Prue drank raw milk from a regulated dairy and the milk was sold retail (E.coli 0157:H7)
Nicole Riggs drank milk from purchased from a farm (legal in that state) (E.coli 0157:H7)
Larry Pedersen drank the same milk as Nicole Riggs, but it was sold illegally in a grocery store (E.coli 0157:H7)
The Dee Creek Outbreak involved an unlicensed cow share program (the type that WAPF promotes) (E.coli 0157:H7)
Grace Harbor Farms Outbreak involved regulated milk sold retail (E.coli 0157:H7)
All reports of outbreaks can be found here http://www.realrawmilkfacts.com/outbreak-tables/
This blog has turned into a raw milk blog. I wish the topic could stay focused on raw milk safety. Outbreaks are happening and solutions need to be found. Steve, Scott and Tim are attempting to do this. I commend them for their efforts.
I would also like to state emphatically that I am not Melissa Herzog. It is not fair to Melissa and her family that someone who blogs here keeps making this claim. It is very disrespectful. Please stop.
cp
http://www.meatingplace.com/MembersOnly/webNews/details.aspx?item=16411
Industry News – AM
Antibiotic use can up risk of E. coli in children: study
By Tom Johnston on 5/4/2010
Food Processing Suppliers Association
Direct and indirect exposure of young children to antibiotics through medical and agricultural usage can increase their risk for carriage of resistant E. coli, according to a new study published in the May issue of the American Journal of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene.
Most E. coli are harmless and carried as a normal part of the human intestinal flora, researchers noted, but such commensal bacteria might serve as a reservoir of resistance that can be transmitted to disease-causing E. coli and other bacterial species.
The study, conducted by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, showed that several factors affect antibiotic-resistant E. coli carriage in young children in Peru. After analyzing E. coli samples from more than 500 children, the researchers identified individual, household and community factors influencing carriage of the resistant bacteria.
"In analyzing the study results, we learned that children’s use of antibiotics, as well as their family members’ use, increased their risk for carrying resistant E. coli, and that residing in an area where a greater proportion of households served home-raised chickens protected against resistance," said lead study investigator Dr. Henry D. Kalter, Associate, Department of International Health, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
"This protective effect can be understood in light of the fact that the home-raised chickens carried significantly lower levels of resistant E. coli than did the market chicken, which in Peru are intensively raised with antibiotics," he said. "The strength of this community level variable suggests that this is where the transmission of resistance resulting from agricultural antibiotics use was taking place."
The study was conducted in 16 carefully selected zones in four regions in Peru, including peri-urban slums in Lima and towns and villages in Cajamarca in the Sierra Mountains, Iquitos in the Amazon rain forest, and Chincha on the coast.
The study is available here: http://www.marketingandtechnology.com/repository/webFeatures/E_coli_study.pdf
-Blair
Thank God that the medical community has finnally figuered out that giving antibiotics to kids with ecoli 0157H7 is contra indicated and now kids with Ecoli -0157H7 are not given antibiotics as a matter of protocol ( Valley Childrens Hospital Standards of CARE ).
Please remember that Ecoli 0157H7 was not created on an organic farm…it came from pharma, antibiotic abuse and CAFO feeding and conditions. Organic farms do not create pathogens. The probiotic conditions and non-use of bacterial challengers keeps anti-biotic resistance and resistance morphing from happening on an organic farm.
When you make your list of sickened Americans…please place the blame on the right greedy corrupt "FOOD INC" places.
I will also say for the record that seven people that did not die is statistically irrelevant ( yet the humanity in us all makes it still important ).
CP, Lykke, and Neela what you completely fail to acknowledge is that raw milk is "immune medicine" and that there is a balance between the very very low risk of potential illness and the near certainty of immune depression and illness or death by superbug or other immune related illness.
Do you agree that Raw Milk is a medical food??? Of course you do not.
If you did you would weigh the fantastic benefits against the near irrelevent risk level.
Dr. Donald Fields ( pediatrician and associate professor of medicine at UCSF ) prescribes raw milk very effectively in his practice. So does Dr. Susan Stone MD and many other CA doctors.
The more and more you talk about potential illnesses the more I want to puke…..
What do you call 25% of kids in Fresno County with a asthma dx?
What do you call 5200 deaths from Astham every year???
What do you call 600,000 cases of IBS in the USA?
What do you call 30% of future kids with Diabetes dx?
What do you call rampant obesity?
What do you call Austism at 1 in 90 kids ?
All of these things are directly linked to nutrition, fake food, sterile food and improper medical treatment with antibiotics. This is not important to you….this is not a risk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are defending an American genocide. You are a part of the FDA treason against health and the people of this nation. ( documented in the FDA 1240.61 Dismissal Documents )
Do you believe that americans have no right to select their food?
Do you believe that Americans have no foundational right to bodily health?
If you do…please continue to eat your GMO, cloned, sprayed, processed, fake, pasteurized, irradiated junk and die off early so that oxygen on earth can go to better purposes. The awakened conscious mothers and fathers of this new conscious America will not jump off the cliff with you.
But you feel free and go ahead and jump off….
It is your choice.
Mark
I’ll grant you the RealMilk.com web site is not real forthcoming about accepting responsibility for illnesses that may well have resulted from raw milk, and I’ve said as much previously on this blog. As long as you are ascribing motives, though, I’ll say that it’s easy to become defensive in light of the clear prejudice against raw milk repeatedly demonstrated by the public health community.
David
Lykke and CP, your priorities are totally F-ed up. I understand food safety and the need to keep pathogens out of food. What I do not understand is how you can take a few cases of sickness, and extrapolate this into "RAW MILK IS AN INHERINTLY DANGEROUS FOOD."
Pastuerization is a modern invention. If milk were really that dangerous, do you think our ancestors would have domesticated dairy animals?
I do not think our ancestors were that dumb. They didn’t need germ theory to understand when things made them sick. The laws of Kosher were formulated without any understanding of germs, micro-organisms, or pastuerization.
Perhaps this is a case of arrogance — you believe that the modern era enjoys a level of enlightenment which past eras did not. I would hold quite the contrary — our science and technology have made us blind. They have overwhelmed our senses with distractions and excesses, and made us impervious to the subtelties of the natural world, to our bodies, and to the greater workings of the biosphere and the cosmos. We have come to believe that because we can reduce everything down to a scientifically formulated "law of nature", that we have the ability to understand everything in a hyper-rational way.
Not so. I enjoy the wildness of the bacteria in my raw milk. Even though I can explain the ecology of every potential pathogen in the milk (as well as many other non-pathogenic organisms) I live with much contentment knowing that the milk I am drinking is wild. It is beyond the reach of your modern "food fascist" ideology which only seeks to control, repress, oppress, and kill.
I wonder what would happen to all of these sick people in America if they quit eating processes food and began real foods. Donna Gates (The Body Ecology Diet) teaches people how to food combine and encourages people to eat 80% veggies and 20% grains or protein at each meal. People get healthy and without raw milk? How is that possible?
I am convinced that you have an ugly spirit. You say such hateful things,
[please continue to eat your GMO, cloned, sprayed, processed, fake, pasteurized, irradiated junk and die off early so that oxygen on earth can go to better purposes. The awakened conscious mothers and fathers of this new conscious America will not jump off the cliff with you.]
What reduces you to such low levels of verbal interactions? I think the risks of raw milk outweigh the benefits and you wish me death. Something is terribly wrong in the raw milk movement.
cp
I prefer my dairy in as natural and wholesome form as possible — unprocessed (except into fermented forms like butter, cheese, yogurt, etc…) from organic cows whose diet is entirely grasses and forages from properly mineralized soils. I do NOT think it is healthy to drink the highly processed (ultra-pastuerized, homogenized) grocery store milk, which is from sickly cows in CAFO conditions, fed a large amount of grain, and is often fortified with dolomitic lyme and synthetic vitamins, to cover up the blue color from skimming out all the butterfat.
No one is forcing you to drink raw milk, CP. However, there are many people who are trying to force us to stop drinking raw milk. You seem to take no issue with this "food fascism." From what I can tell, you and Lykke get your paycheck from the food fascist system, which explains why there is such a level of hostility to you here.
Ahhh..the REAL lykke is heard from.
If you are going to talk the talk, you need to walk the walk….and those like your self who stoop, have no right expecting others to stand up straight.
Again we see anti crowd purporting a double standard. You ma’am are a hypocrite.
Lykke’s and CP’s paycheck depends on them not understanding the problems with food fascism, or the benefits of raw milk. There is no way we are going to convince them. Their careers depend on them NOT understanding these things.
Follow the money.
Raw milk’s popularity spurs debate over safety health By Jason Blevins
Blair McMorran points to the elephant in the room the REAL issue.
"The conventional dairy industry produces milk designed for pasteurization. That milk will certainly get you sick if you drink it raw." McMorran says "We design design milk for drinking."
Perhaps it could also be said that the milk destined for pasteurization is designed to cover up filthy cheap unnatural farming methods.
16 years of EMS as a Paramedic and health care educator and attempting with every last drop of my medical training and humanity to intervene and delay death….makes me very passionate. I am no passivist. If you think I play nice…you got the wrong guy.
On each and every 911 medical call I ran ( more than 15,000 and more than 80% were medical calls with Shortness of Breath, chest pain, GI bleeding, seizures or diabetes etc…. )…..I saw the same thing over and over.
A person suffering in pain, dying or trying to die with a pile of "SAFE and Approved FDA drugs beside them" and a house and refrigerator devoid of anything that resembled a whole food. They were doing exaclty what the doctors had told them to do and they were not getting better….they were suffering or dying.
This had a lasting impressionn on me….now I can see the direct effect of whole food nutrition and our farm food connected consumers that are discarding the FDA drugs that were literally killing them and instead are now embracing life and health.
If you can not stand the heat of a real battle….with real dead people…. then you are no soldier for a better future for America. You are no better than an paid-off highly trained RN what wears a short skirt and delivers pizza to doctors as they push drugs with cute sexy smiles and invitations for cruise vacations. Drug Whores….!!!! I know a bunch of them. My wife went to school with them.
By the way….the Mongols are Chinese and they drink lots of raw milk even today.
The Maasia drink raw milk and raw blood even until today.
The Swiss Highlanders drink raw milk and eat fresh raw milk cheeses and butters today.
All of these people were studied by Weston A Price.
Yes…there were several cultures visited and studied by Weston A Price that never drank raw milk. This is very true. But….they all ate the things found in raw milk.
The eskimos ate raw and fermented fish with its good fats and plentiful bacteria. They ate raw eggs from tundra birds. They ate cod liver oil and the entire head of the cod and seal blubber. None of these things are easy to eat or find in your local farmers market or organic store in America.
Raw Milk from pastured cows contains all of the things found in the Eskimo diet. Lots of enzymes, lots of bacterial biodioversity, lots of good animals fats, high mineral content. Raw milk contains all of the things found universally in all diets of peoples arround the world.
None of these food elements are found in the semi-sterile, enzyme devoid, fake preserved SAD diet consumed every day in America.
That is exactly why people are stripping store shelves in CA drinking raw milk like crazy. When they drink raw milk ( and eat a whole food diet containing other whole food as well ) their bodies respond and good things happen. Really good things like….no more asthma, no more IBS, no more Osteoporosis, no more allergies. Their bodies start to work.
If you think my tone is a little not nice….I agree. I would scream even louder if I could. Death is being brought to us by the FDA and the Germ theory and I am fighting along with many other great consciuos people in America to change this paradigm.
It is changing….so get used to it. You are always welcome to join us.
Mark
I wish there was a " like" button beside each post – as I don’t consider myself a very good writer. But I have to say AMEN to everything Mark just wrote – I’m so grateful for you(Micheal, Mark, David, Tim, Steve, Sally, Ron and may more) who have the words, time and means to promote the "terrain" paradigm. You are so RIGHT on!!!
After having wrecked my health with antibiotics and further major complications as a teenager, I have proved that Real Food HEALS – "anecdotal" evidence is enough to make me a believer no matter what anyone says. And I will do everything in my power to see that I don’t set my kids up for the same things I went through! Never veccinated and never had to use antibiotics. (there are so many other options IF a person needs them) Haven’t had any colds or flus except 2 winters ago when our cows were dry for 2 months. We have taken one kid (out of 4) to the hospital to set a broken arm, if that counts as using "the System"
Speaking of supressed immune systems,I thought I recalled that one of those that people that ended up with HUS, just finish chemo treatment before they drank the raw milk??? You can hardly blame the milk, when you are trying to mix 2 polar oposite health approaches. Did any one else get sick from the same milk she did? I don’t think so.
plants- people who have no real opinion other than that driven by monetary compensation from big dairy or their allies.
and sad to say it but I calls them like I sees them perverts/trolls who are either looking for a fight or are self proclaimed saints whom in their own eyes can do no wrong therefore you must submit to what they and the gov./big buis. have decreed is good for you.
I would also ask where in the world the MA DAR thinks they get prerogative to claim that they regulate interstate commerce this is not a power that they should have.
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" Benjamin Franklin