Mary Martin with husban Tony and son Chris, in 2009. A few people here have raised the question I’ve been thinking: Why is Mary Martin inserting her daily remembrances of her son’s illness five years ago into each blog discussion of the past month?
The remembrances have nothing to do with my postings, or anyone else’s comments. Absent any clear purpose, they seem self serving, even annoying.
Most people ignore the journal postings, and decline comment, because few want to offend a mother who went through the kind of trauma she and her son went through back in 2006. Those of us who are parents don’t even want to think about going through such a crisis, and so we feel badly for her, and try to put the whole thing out of our minds.
But there is a history on this blog. I first posted her story, broken into Part 1 and Part 2, back in 2007, and there was a tremendous amount of comment, and followup postings and commentary. Plus, I discussed her story at length in my book, “The Raw Milk Revolution”, and she’s recounted parts of the story over the years as she’s commented on this blog.
I’ve had the pleasure of meeting her and her family a couple of times, and consider Mary a friend. It’s been heartwarming to me to see her son, Chris, develop and mature, as a regular kid.
But since she’s used her story, and continues to use it, as a political tool, I’m going to question her ongoing reliance on parental outrage, for two reasons beyond the fact that it is repetitious. First, this kind of beating of the drum–using a few tragic situations, some of them years old–has been a primary force behind food safety and anti-raw-dairy propaganda in this country. If you doubt what I mean, take a look at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control web site on raw milk. Mary Martin’s story is there as well, so it’s a key component in anti-raw-milk rhetoric and policy making in this country.
Second, it’s clear that this kind of parental nightmare story only gets held up for fear mongering if it’s politically correct. The story a couple people linked to, of Jim Navarro’s struggle to obtain a highly credible alternative treatment for his four-year-old son’s brain cancer, while his son was forced to undergo debilitating, and eventually killing, chemotherapy–that story isn’t politically correct, so it gets ignored. It’s a disgusting story, of how the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s long-running campaign against providers of alternative treatments (they’re all termed “quacks”) has morphed into a total abridgement of parental rights and responsibilities…to the extent the medical profession will actually take children from their parents to force conventional treatments. (For an interview of Jim Navarro and the documentary about the treatment, in which Navarro also appears, see this site.)
As I indicated earlier, I have doubts about making policy based on individual tragedies. Unfortunately, in our large and complex society, we’ll always have our share of tragedies involving children, whether they’re from dangerous toys, serious illnesses, demented criminals, or tainted food. That’s not to say we shouldn’t learn from these awful situations. And it’s not to say parents in such situations shouldn’t campaign to try to protect others from the same fate. It’s difficult for politicians to push back against such campaigns, even if they are demanding inappropriate remedies.
I guess I’m questioning how many time parents should go to the well with these stories. If we’re going to make policy based on individual tragedies, then let’s be equal opportunity about them. Jim Navarro’s terrible family ordeal is worthy of the same attention as Mary Martin’s.
Wayne Craig
There are many reasons why people continually repeat bad experiences: issues that keep rearing their ugly head may be in need of resolution: a mistake is made, we judge ourselves, we find our selves guilty, and we punish ourselves by repetition (verbally/emotionally): the experience causes PTSD: the experience becomes our "normal", etc.
The political side reminds me of the Brady Bill. Did it cause a decline in violent crime? No. Mrs. Brady was instrumental in pushing the bill…. In a sense, I am penalized for something someone else did. Where is the justice in that? Just as MADD, a way the mother found justice (justice is not the correct word) for her childs death?
"Our analyses provide no evidence that implementation of the Brady Act was associated with a reduction in homicide rates. In particular, we find no differences in homicide or firearm homicide rates to adult victims in the 32 treatment states directly subject to the Brady Act provisions compared with the remaining control states."
http://www.guncite.com/JAMABradysurvey.pdf
There was a video of Marys son that was so NOT politically correct, it was down right obscene exploitation of the child.
http://www.quackwatch.com/ a site ran by a psych doc…I know many people who feel the psych profession is nothing more than quackery. There is a lot of bogus drivel given as gospel on this site against alternative medicine, different beliefs, etc.
When I was working in TX, a patient was flown in with a brain bleed, the patient was Native American. The Medicine Man accompanied the patient….should we have told him he was a quack? and his burning sage and rattles were childish and a fire hazard? (We opened the window with a fan in it to suck the smoke out, so it wouldn't set off the fire alarms) The patient had the burr hole drilled and recovered fine.
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/spotquack.html
1. to get the minimum RDV of the US govt you'd have to eat a ton of food..
2. most are poorly nourished, look at the SAD
3. everyone should look at what they eat normally on a daily basis and figure out if they are eating a variety of foods for optimal nutrition
4. I've had numerous patient cholesterol levels decrease from eating old fashion oatmeal for 30-60 days- they opted out of taking the "for profit pill"
5. is just plain ignorant on his part
6. ……..it goes on and on….
7. "quacks usually oppose water fluoridation" uh yeah, it is a poison duh
It isn't politically correct to question the safety of vaccines either.
I would also submit that if the only way you can win someone to your position is through emotional manipulation, you may win, but really, you have lost. It is a terrible Pyrrhic victory, one that damages the one manipulating and the one being manipulated.
It will be interesting to see if the two sets of mom's on this issue ever clash, as the same mom energy that motivates them both divides them to two very different ends. Has Mary ever expressed what she wants to see accomplished, what is her end game when she can finally move on with her and her family's life?
Emotional manipulation is the tool of tyrants, despots, and all sorts of liars and thieves (think modern advertising, where the whole point is to emotionally manipulate people to buying crap they do not have so they feel good about themselves… like like without a soft drink or this or that piece of junk is someone less of a life worth living).
BTW, the quackwatch doc I think is involved in multiple lawsuits and ethical problems. Believe these are easily found on the internet.
This is why our founding fathers wanted a limited gov't… it is time to stop trying to push one's views (economic, moral, food, or otherwise) on others via gov't (open debate, persuasion, etc., you know the tools mature people employ to win people to their cause), especially by using their own money to do it (legalized theft, otherwise known as taxation).
http://www.omsj.org/category/issues/health-care
http://www.omsj.org/corruption/interview-with-constitutional-attorney-jonathan-emrod-on-his-work-with-human-rights-and-health-freedom#more-3444
"describes the Draconian measures used by the FDA and pharmaceutical industry to violate our right to buy and eat the foods we want."
The madness in the hospital didnt end because it was uncomfortable. The same applies as Im writing.
Definition of annoying: Sally Fallon going on a radio show a few months ago stating my son became ill from eating spinach. Or how about the letter I wrote her in 2007 asking her to remove the information about Chris becoming ill from spinach from her website. She didnt remove it and then had the audacity to personally edit this false information into the 2010 version of the Untold Story of Milk. Now that is annoying. Actually, it is deplorable. Thought for the day: what type of person victimizes an innocent child to win the war?
September 27, 2006
Day 21 Hospital
We would soon discover that recovering from HUS is two steps forward and one step back.
BUN was high today, so back to dialysis. Chris also continued to vomit. It seemed to be connected to coughing. Chris birth mom visited. She shared that she had a very sensitive gag reflex when she coughs. We were hoping this explained why Chris kept vomiting after he coughed. It was decided that water would be held for one more day and we would try again tomorrow.
As Chris kidneys began to work and the swelling in his body began to decrease, Chris was looking quite thin. They increased the nutrients in his TPN. As the day progressed, Chris began to have stomach pains and began throwing-up green bile. He was now having issues with his pancreas. It was always difficult to cope when Chris was suffering. Everything had been looking so hopeful and now we were faced with a new challenge.
On a positive note, they did take out the left chest tube and then moved us out of the 5700 PICU and into the 5800 step-down PICU. We were very excited about the move because that meant Chris was getting better. We were hoping to get time to spend with Lauren, but she had moved to the basic medical care unit.
Once there we quickly realized there would be a whole new set of problems. We lost the world of a room to ourselves and now would have to adapt to sharing a room with another patient and family. Still, we were happy to finally feel like we were moving forward. We put Chris in the wheel chair and wheeled him and his I.V. pole over to the 5700 unit to visit. We wanted to tell the night staff where we were. We already missed all the wonderful doctors and nurses that helped save Chris life. We had been there since September 14th, 13 days.
As the evening progressed, it was apparent that it was not going to be an easy night. The patient that shared our room had just had surgery and he was on a BiPap machine. How on earth was Chris going to sleep with all the noise? How we wished Chris could just stay in the 5700 unit until he went home.
When Chris became ill there was a belief in the raw milk movement that if the cows were pasture fed, they could not harbor pathogens in their intestinal track, and if by some rare chance there happened to be a pathogen in the milk, raw milk produced from grass fed cows had the capacity to kill pathogens. Both of these beliefs are promoted by the Weston A. Price Foundation which was started in 1999, six years earlier. Their mission is to make raw milk legal in all 50 states, preferably without regulation. The cow share model is their preference. They also have a belief that if someone does become ill from raw milk, it is a lie. It is a lie because cows fed grass dont harbor pathogens and raw milk kills pathogens, so how could someone possibly become ill? It is also a lie because the government is biased against raw milk.
So, prior to Chris becoming ill, how many people became ill from raw milk? This chart documents raw milk/cheese illnesses from 2001-2007. Six of the outbreaks involved E. coli 0157:H7 (raw milk only) http://www.marlerblog.com/uploads/file/Table%201%20Part%203%20revised_2%5B1%5D.pdf
Then I began to wonder how many children have developed HUS after drinking raw milk contaminated with E.coli 0157:H7.
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2009/10/raw-milk-outbreaks-do-happen/ Between 2005-2008, there were these outbreaks and the state reports were included so I could count how many developed HUS. There were a total of 37 E.coli 0157:H7 infections and 12 developed HUS. Thats 32%.
That is a lot of illnesses that didnt happen from raw milk. Maybe the raw milk safety measures of feeding the cows grass and depending on the milk to kill the pathogens isnt working.
There is also the belief that other foods are contaminated, why pick on raw milk? Raw milk outbreaks happen less frequently than other foods. Heres a cool database. http://outbreakdatabase.com/ Type in a food and a year and see what comes up. For example, compare hamburger and raw milk for 2009 and 2010. Which food had more outbreaks? How many people consumed hamburger in these two years versus raw milk? You can compare any food with raw milk.
Do you have any links not related to him or the us govt?
I was following this site (carefully notice the difference in the name, although slight) at http://www.quackpotwatch.com but I'm not sure it's up anymore. Tim Bolen is the guy who writes extensively about Barrett and his groupies, who are mostly unlicensed or de-licensed doctors. One is a magician from FL who was found guilty of abduction, S&M and I don't know what all else, of a young boy many years ago – now he's a man who is also having severe mental problems and admits to being a pervert, as well. All of the people associated with the group are paid shills, on top of everything else. They are mostly responsible for altering the health and food and alternative health information at Wikipedia, which is why I NEVER rely on that site for anything, and I certainly never use them as a reference to material I write about.
Anyhow, Tim Bolen also has a blog which you can find by doing a web search, I would think. He's uncovered some fascinating information about these folks, and he very closely follows the court cases and reports on that, as well. I signed up for his email notifications and just got one last week, that's how I know what's going on with this subject. =8- O) Hair raising stuff, for sure.
I just did a search for ecoli for 2006, and it returned 2 pages. Summary:
Whole Milk Unpasteurized: 12 illnesses (includes Mary's son)
Beef: 81 illnesses
Spinach: 238 illnesses
Lettuce: 157 illnesses
Sally Fallon's words annoy more people than just you Mary, but this is not a WAPF website. Most of us here know how to separate the hype from reality, and we still drink raw milk.
Self-serving and annoying about sums it up. Clearly obsessed as well, since she can't seem to accept what happened and move on with her life.
D.Smith, it is nauseating to hear of the perverts in the world. <shuddering>
http://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/montevideo/index.html
Black&Red pepper: July 4, 2009 and April 14, 2010. 252 persons infected Salmonella
2009 pet food recall salmonella
sprouts at jimmy johns restaurant salmonella
costco gouda cheese e-coli
subway salmonella….
marie callandars cheesey chicken
There were a lot of recalls (the above is not all inclusive) and contaminated foods in the USA in 2009-2010. raw milk was a minute portion.
Perhaps Mary will inform this blog what her goals are?
The mother that started MADD (in a nutshell) had a goal to prevent/dissuade drunk drivers and those who are repeat offenders, make them accountable for their actions.
"some people dont believe raw milk safety standards are needed."
Whose standards are you referring to? OP standards? Claravale standards? The cow share standards? Are they written? Or common sense? Do the Cafos have standards? If so they must be awfully lax.
I haven't followed this case closely because I've only recently come across the information, but has a proven culprit ever been found?
Nevertheless, there are countless foods and other substances which could have been accountable for this, so until and unless raw milk is actually a proven cause, we should cease speculating and spreading unfounded "facts".
No, the true culprit was never found. In fact, Chris never even tested positive for e. coli, though there is reason to believe it was the cause of his HUS.
Mark's insurance company urged him to settle out of court, and I can only surmise that Mary's lawyer didn't think his case was sufficiently strong, so they accepted the offer.
We will never know conclusively what caused the illness, but for a full 5 years now Mary has been stricken with "raw milk fever" – much to her own detriment and presumably Chris' as well.
Very sad.
There appears to be Three Raw Milks in America.at least in San Francisco. There is Dead PMO Allergenic Non-Digestible White Stuff, Human Consumption Grade A tested state inspected raw milk and unknown raw milk.
I call this Unknown Raw Milk becauseit is undefined, comes from unknown sources and is unlabeled. These unknown farmers seem to be the ones that demand freedom yet they hide from the responsibility that this freedom demands.
I will save my personal thoughts on them as citizens.
How fair is this to the consumer? How fair is this to the other raw milk that is tested, inspected and comes from farmers that stand-up and stand against the machine? How fair is it that legal raw milk does all the fighting and unknown raw milk hides from its obligations to stand-up, be counted and wage the greater battle.
The efforts to define cow shares in CA is a fascinating study in human nature. It seems that the Chat Group that has joined the CA unnamed cow share operators together are playing some kind of game. A game of, hideaway in unanimity but then take pot shots at the process that was formed for their assistance. Raw milk is not a marijuana crop. Raw milk is an honored and respected food. I have less than zero respect for some of these people. Some of these people ( the loud nameless minority ) have rudely attacked a lobbyist that has worked hard on their behalf and was the one that got the meeting with the Sec of Ag to begin with. Yet.the majority remain silent and do not stand up and tell the rude minority to mind their manners. It appears that this minority are high on recent wins at Local County level Food Sovereignty law changes in counties around SF. This may be true, but it does not excuse their rudeness or contempt for those that are trying to help.
What a dysfunction mess.
If Cow Shares in CA are to exist, then join the process. This I respect. Those that have joined the process ( and several have ) will reap the benefits of negotiation and engagement. Those that do not will not.
Even though I have high hopes for the Working Group process, at this point, I would not blame CDFA for shutting down all cow share programs in CA. I would say this directly to anyone including CDFA if they asked. No Unknown secrets here.
Mary,
I nearly lost my daughter Kaleigh when she was 12 years old from Meningococcal septicemia. I saw the pediatric ICU HUS grim reaper selfishly hovering over her and trying his best to take her from ushe left empty handed taking just my fears, some tears and a bit of my soul. We were blessed. We had no one to blamewe instead give every moment of life to her and deeply appreciate our blessings.
I read your posts and I read some other process going on. I read a public catharsis, an attempt at education of other moms, an unbalanced Marler tale of intentional ignorance of the data and the benefits of raw milk, that does not serve moms, but rather the FDA and Big Dead Milk. All that appears to matter to you is your encounter with the pediatric grim reaper that went away without your sontaking just a bit of your soul.
When five years has passed and you can still hold your son, feel blessed. So many moms this year will lose their kids from pharmaceutical drug reactions after their children suffer Asthma. You give no credit to the thousands of kids that can live asthma free if they drink raw milk ( GABRIELA and PARSIFAL studies ).
At least 4000 kids will die of asthma this year.yet none die of raw milk consumption. Where is the justice or balance? There is none.
You need to leave this gothe grim reaper did not get your son.
In 1893, when Dr. Coit lost his son from dirty raw milk, he did not attempt its ban. He instead invested his life to cleaning-up raw milk through the AAMMC which he founded. As a direct result, untold numbers of children were nourished and saved. Doctors then had clean safe raw milk to prescribe as a preferred food for healthy babies.
Please join me by endorsing clean raw milk and the processes and openness required to produce this raw milk.
I wish you peace. Hug your child. Move on.it is over, your crisis passed long ago, thankfully. There are essential and important things to do to nourish all children. Your commentary and Marlers commentary cheats moms of the knowledge to protect their children from the real killer, immune depression and dependence on pharma drugs as a sole remedy.
Love, respect and hugs.
Mark
Personally, I disagree with Marys idea of what is right and true. I believe that Chris story is more news than science, and that news is a very poor, indeed damaging, trigger for rule-making. That is not to say that news doesnt trigger well-intentioned rule-making all the time, but by its intensity, news causes narrowing of ones viewpoint, and unwitting neglect of important factors. (In this case, among those factors are the terrible and widespread pain, dysfunction, and financial cost of diseases related to systematic isolation of humans from the natural world, including autism, asthma, allergies, diabetes, and cancers.) Mary would put the sorts of people in charge of my life who have precious little understanding of bacterial symbiosis and the importance of natural immunitypeople who have staked their careers on the discredited notion that isolation from the natural world is the only way to improve health and well-being. That action would be taken, of course, under the rubric of scientific standards.
Ironically there are many, many mother lions out there who see a very different truth than Mary. They sit squarely on the other side of the fence. Were used to the back and forth, right?
I did not realize that the state of ca required cow shares to be inspected?
There can be no doubt that the "unknowns" are known…whomever accepted the "unknown" milk most assuredly knows who gave it to them to sell. AND the "unknowns" will want their money for the unknown milk….duh, they all want their money.
In the case of the "unknowns" be sure and hand out flyers and educate consumers to be cautious of "unknowns" and the greater potential for contamination as their farm environment is unknown.
I still believe that many of the "cow share" farmers have no trust in any govt entity and may be sitting back waiting to see what happens.
If they show themselves, even in a peaceful manner and show they are willing to parley; how can they be assured that the govt won't turn on them? They don't have the money you do to fight them. If they go to jail, their family will be on the streets…..yours on the other hand, will be taken care of.
Please explain what is there to negotiate? By not naming the lobbyist or the decedent how can anyone make an informed opinion on your words?
"I would not blame CDFA for shutting down all cow share programs in CA." "Those that do not will not. "
Wow, that speaks volumes…..
The State of CA has no idea what a cow share is….that is why they are shutting all of them down. When they can figuer out what they are, then they will consider defining what they are and maybe… just maybe there can be some hands-off becuase of the constitutional rights of animal ownership.
CDFA legal teams have already said that "we all have a right to our own aniamals raw milk". They have also said that they have no idea what a cow share program is because they see CAFO operations with 1700 cows calling themselves a cow share and they also see three goat back yard operations with full documentation of boarding agreements calling themselves a cow share.
It is fair to ask the cow share community to define themselves. Is this not fair??? At present, many of the cow share operations seem fear the shadows and do not have the guts to breath, or pee for themselves. It is sadly unAmerican.
I respect those that engage in being American like Pattie Chelseth and Mike Hulme. I have no respect for those that call themselves freedom fighters when all they truly act like is a Marijuana grower ( in all of its meaning ).
Where did the guts to stand and be counted go in America? The land of the free has become the land of the wee wees. This is exactly why America is no longer free and no longer reflects the will of its people. Its people has abandoned the table. What do you expect!! Get back to the TABLE if you want to eat!!
Dave Milanos words are golden…
Did these words speak volumes…I hope so.
Mark
I would love for you to clarify what you are saying. Do you think all raw milk farmers should be in their state statues/regulated by the state?
By defining themselves, do you mean solely in a governmental/legal context?
Equating them with marijuana growers is inflammatory at best – caring for the cows of people who own them and providing them with milk from their animals is in no way (nor should it be in any way) illegal. The fact that you use this example shows just how confused you are as to what is happening, or how far you are willing to go to skew what this arrangement is truly like to advance RAWMI. Either one should concern everyone involved.
It is perfectly fair for some raw milk to be tested and some not – let people decide what raw milk they want, not you, not some regulator, not some sissy let me push you around and tell you what to do neighbor. That is what real freedom is. If you don't want other people to have real freedom, then you have a more fundamental problem than just over the top rhetoric towards those that don't agree with you or hold a different position.
I can't choose the toilet I crap in in my home state, even though composting toilets are FAR superior safety wise than septic systems…. Regulation and government interference does not make us more safe – it protects the profits of special interest groups, politicians, and their croonies and thugs… funded with my tax dollars, no less.
To call the process "formed for their assistance" is almost as good a one liner as to call the TSA formed for our protection and security, or the FDA was formed for food safety purposes while they raid RAWSOME yet allow tainted turkey to undergo a "cost benefit recall analysis" while people are dying and getting ill. Mark, how can you justify wanting anyone to trust these people?
You could host the Jon Stewart show! Come now Mark, truly so naive after watching Farmageddon and so many other incidents, and the like?
To say there are only three raw milks is also at best, slanderous. As others have pointed out, raw milk has been around, without regulation, or "needing defined" by some government agency for many decades… and before the laws of the early 1900's, based on shoddy science and stupidity as they were, thousands of years. Anyone with half a brain can find all sides of the real milk debate on the internet, even here. real milk drinkers generally are not some uneducated idiocracy that is looking for "parenting" by yet another busy body – governmental, independent, or otherwise. Your position appears to treat those who disagree with you as if they have an iq slightly lower than spinach…
Many of us would agree that leftover, unlabled milk should not be disappearing from store shelves, mainly because it is a clear violation of california law, and breaks the whole nature of cow share/herd share arrangements. The fact that this happens merely strengthens what I have written above – the gov't already has laws to stop these things, yet doesn't. Surely, before we grant them more authority, shouldn't they show us they can use what they already have wisely?
The problem is, on every level, when we hold them to this test, they have failed ABYSMALLY. Debased our currency by over 90%… protect polluters from being sued by those who land they destroy and bodies they poison… ensure large companies never face real competition by burdensome regulations that ensure no small company can enter a market place without billions of up front money… (see Salatin's book, or Peter Schiff's testimony before Congress recently). These people have destroyed our nation's liberty, environment, and now are moving on to the economy… wonder how so much wealth got concentrated SO quickly by so few… the government can!
… hmm, heavily subsidize the worst polluters, farmers, etc. with out tax money, mercilessly raid, intimidate, and shake down good farmers at every opportunity… shall I go on? Infected people in other countries with STD's purposefully and without their consent or knowledge… drop "drone bombs" on unsuspecting people around the world (and are spending more of our money to build more drone bomber bases… oh, but think of all the great job creation that will come from killing others!).
The government has assured we are all slaves to the corporations, whom they protect at all costs…http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/bbc-victim-hoax-no-yes-men-154724196.html
(as have been confirmed, the interview is no hoax… here is a rare breed… an honest person!)
This is why tons of people are turned off to Rawmi, and if necessary… ready to full out oppose it in every way possible. You are not winning people to your cause. And if you try and force your cause on others, they will revolt, and you will have split the movement.
For all your invitations of mutual cooperation, your rhetoric and tone overshadow it completely. You can't invite others to work alongside of you if the only option is to agree with you on every jot and tittle.
Let my actions in assisting others and advocating for others speak for itself. I will not let the no~named coercive small discontented minority speak for the polite, caring, majority, of cow share operators. I stand with those that are safe, clean, rational and interested in engaging the process. I Iove local food systems.
I do believe that if defined properly and operated within that definition, CDFA will go100% hands off.
Feel free to ignore these questions as coming from an itinerant rabble-router and malcontent.
Just look to Canada and you can see that our govt will do the same. Michael Schmidt in Canada is also offering a Cow Share basic course…….googling "cow share operations shows many offered classes/instructions scattered across the USA. Appears many are willing to teach.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:bbyqJnhv4F4J:agr.wa.gov/FoodAnimal/Dairy/docs/rawmilktruth.pdf+cow+share+definition&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi00O1eYbwzy0xehw97CcVsNXT4Key9UTddbxSTnyoPdgtlmS-Tonjmp6lhse0Lr63Xe_85dODufr6gqh76x1dYfRc6PINL7ag61s6xRr6NMs-udtFTQigbTfh3n0Lz3KQSueeT&sig=AHIEtbQ71anGcaEthLOdl3cbi6Zh7kUOKg
http://3wheeledcheese.com/2011/06/22/first-cow-share-canada-accredited-raw-milk-farm-targeted-by-gov%E2%80%99t-agents/
"First Cow Share Canada accredited raw milk farm targeted by Govt agents" "For seventeen years Schmidts repeated efforts to engage in a constructive dialogue with all agencies involved have fallen on deaf ears…." "dmitted that they had been ordered from above to deny testing to cow share operations."
http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/learn-raw-milk-standards-for-safe-cow-share-operations-at-cowshare-canada-basics-course-march-19-2011-in-durham-ontario/
http://www.citizinemag.com/stories/08005.html
http://www.thenhf.com/article.php?id=920
http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20110123/ASPENWEEKLY/110129955 $8 for a doz eggs..
This is what Sally Fallon said on the Kojo Nnamdi Show 3 months ago.
Those two cases were never proven to be raw milk. In fact, the state of California was all over the farm, tested everything on the farm, and they did not find that strain in — on the farm. Both the children had eaten spinach, so we don't know what caused their illness. But — by the way, that case was settled down in court. And…
See how the war facts work. Now both Lauren and Chris ate spinach. If Sally Fallon speaks it, it must be true. All she had to say was, those two cases were never proven to be raw milk. In fact, the state of California was all over the farm, tested everything on the farm, and they did not find that strain in — on the farm.
That makes her point. It doesnt have anything to do with eating spinach. It is no different than if Chris became ill today after drinking raw milk and there also happened to be a cantaloupe outbreak. If Chris ate cantaloupe but not the brand of cantaloupe implicated in the outbreak, it is irrelevant.
September 28, 2006
Day 22 Hospital
This was a bad day. We had been so hopeful the day before when we were moved to the 5800 unit.
In the middle of the night, Tony asked to be moved to another room. Chris could not sleep due to the noise from the BiPap machine. They didnt have another bed available, so they were moved into the isolation room. His vomiting had become worse (a dark green color), so he was back taking Phenergan. They were discussing the possibility of having to use an NG tube. Chris hated that thing sedated, how on earth would he cope fully awake?
Chris catheters needed to be cleaned. His skin had become ultra-sensitive. He would scream when the tape was removed. He said it felt like his skin was being torn off. The tape removal sessions were an extreme challenge. He had to be given morphine and ativan in order to get him calm enough to remove the tape. It was an extremely slow process. The nurses didnt have time for this, so I did the removal. There are these little square patches of gauze with oil on them. They come individually wrapped. I would use these to soak the tape in oil and ever so slowly begin working the corners upward. Once I got a corner up, I would rub under it, putting pressure upward or downward. It would typically take an hour to get all the tape off.
I was there for the morning rounds with the nephrologist. LLUCH was a teaching hospital, so there was a medical student with him who was doing his internship. There are pros and cons to this as a parent. You learn great information, but when the information is negative, it is difficult to listen without getting anxious.
The nephrologist was explaining to the intern doctor that Chris heart muscle was weak from the congestive heart failure and that his blood pressure was higher than they like to see. He also wanted to start watching Chris blood sugar levels because he may need some insulin. He didnt like how thin Chris was, so they needed to add more calories to his TPN. Chris was grunting a little while he was breathing, so he ordered a chest x-ray to make sure fluid wasnt building up in his body again. He also ordered more physical therapy. No dialysis today.
It was a long day waiting for the blood pressure medicine. The nurse paged 3 different doctors 3 different times. By 6:00 p.m., we were done waiting. Tony went to the 5700 unit, found the nephrologist. The meds arrived shortly after. It had taken so long because they couldnt read the intern doctors hand writing.
"Thought for the day: what type of person victimizes an innocent child to win the war? "
i don't know mary, but my answer would be "your kind"
wouldn't you agree?
There is a big reason the nurses pushed for patient/nurse ratio… if family and patients don't speak out then they only add to the increased potential for substandard care and patient harm.
Had his skin became infected; whose responsibility would it have been? Yours? The nurses? In court, most likely the nurses for not doing their job.
Anyone who is getting TPN has their blood sugar monitored and augmented with insulin if needed. All labs are supposedly closely monitored for adjustment as needed.
Couldn't read the interns writing? That is NOT an excuse. There are many ways to verify orders in a timely manner..waiting all day is not timely. It is considered a medication error and is to be written up if an ordered med is more than an hour late. Reportable incidents.
From your words, the majority of his care was really substandard. Hope you sued them for it, otherwise they will just continued giving substandard care.
As with many agricultural products milk is denatured and adulterated for the sake of profit and control. Andrew Young hit the nail on the head when he stated, nothing is illegal if one hundred well-placed business men decide to do it. Well-placed indeed! I guess it could be said that those businessmen who have monopolized the dairy industry have positioned themselves very well in order to systematically manipulate and influence the existing media, political, legal and bureaucratic structure. We are all victims of this manipulation, heaven forbid if we should start making choices and resolve to go against what has been decided.
Mark
Freedom certainly does demand responsibility and so does mandated authority.
Many of the no-named, discontented individuals whom you refer to as the minority are equally polite and caring as well as safe, clean and rational. As to their coercive nature however although they may very well have the potential to exhibit such a quality if given the chance, youre use of the term is little more then a flippant remark which you have put little thought into.
The current regulatory framework in place has been corrupted and those that administer it are too big for their britches. How many more sincerely health conscious people have to be chewed up and spit out by a system that is clearly causing considerable harm not to mention refusing to allow personal choices in order to mitigate such harm?
This debate is undoubtedly an emotional one, hopefully charity will prevail.
Silvia
I agree, The state of CA knows perfectly well what a cow share is.
Defining it however so they can regulate it is indeed problematic as mark Suggested.
This is where Lolas argument rings true; cow shares should be private and unregulated.
Ken Conrad
Are you trying to blame people here for your son's illness? I think a lot of folks here perceive that this is the case. I don't think you'll change anyone's mind here about raw milk. I drink it daily, and I enjoy it. Why are you retelling the story of Chris's illness?
Food for thought.
Conventional medicine, government and corporate greed (big ag, big pharma, big dairy, monsantan etc.) all put money before people.
I for one get my milk through a co-op arrangement from someone I trust well and through another farmer who I know and has good milk. I don't need "official testing" and certainly don't need any authority to test it for me or make sure it is safe! There is an artisinal ice cream maker in Chicago and the IDPH (IL dept. of public health) shut them down and told them they needed to not use real strawberries because of "bacteria" and to use strawberry syrup instead (most likely with HFCS) and add some other processed crap instead of real
cream…. That is "safety"???? Give me a break…what a load of crap. Read about it here:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-08-05/news/chi-local-ice-cream-makers-could-be-shut-down-by-state-20110805_1_kris-swanberg-nice-cream-strawberry-syrup
That is what "safety standards" by the government produce! Oxymoron!
I just read of some science publication writing about how irradiation of organic foods would save lives. What a load of crap. THEY want to ruin ALL food consumed by anyone! THEY want to keep people sick. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21028186.200-irradiating-organic-food-would-save-lives.html?full=true
Governent does FEAR mongering. Bacteria is good for us! So may people are bacteria phobes, no wonder they get sick! I eat raw chicken…but only chicken I know that is organically raised! I eat raw beef (ever heard of steak tartar or beef carpaccio – served in restaurants).
Mary, it's time to let it go and move on.
I am convinced that conventional schools, all the way through college and med school are just brainwashing youth. Only a few who are wise will withstand it. This goes back to Rockefeller pushing his ideology and others pushing population control. It's everywhere, including Planned Parenthood. George Soros, Bill Gates just continue it.
Who is to blame for Chris illness? E.coli 0157:H7 is to blame. As little as 10 to 50 cells can make someone very ill. Why am I doing a daily diary? There are many reasons. Hopefully by November 2nd the reason will be clear.
I think it would help if everyone pretended that Chris became ill from eating hamburger as they read the daily entry. Oops, I forgot. Everyone is skipping. But just in case you are reading, pretend the contaminated food source was hamburger. What would you learn?
Sylvia, the nurses at LLUCH were fantastic. Nothing is perfect in life and a few nurses were not our ideal, but overall as a group, they earned an A+. The tape removal process was terribly stressful and drawn-out. Once out of the 5700 PICU, there was no longer a 1 to 1 ratio. Many ill children do not have parents with them. No one was being neglectful or lazy. I was there and it was something I could handle and Chris preferred that I do it. The nurses would come and help in between other duties. If a nurse had to be solely responsible for this task, it would have taken hours to accomplish. As for the intern doctor and handwriting issues, after Tony finished talking to him, Im sure he will never make that mistake again. Im not making excuses for anyone, but the intern and resident doctors are way overworked and at times have very little sleep.
Am I a supporter of conventional medicine? Well yes, when it saves someone's life. But the stereotype is an interesting conclusion. For our general health care we use naturopathic, homeopathic and chiropractic services and use a biological dentist. We are about as far as you can get from conventional medicine; having said that, everything in medicine has its place.